83 points

Ah yes, so the best option is to not vote and let them succeed unimpeded.

I’m all for voting for a better candidate, but we have a broken 2 party system, and it very much is if you don’t vote for one of the two main parties, you are pretty much just not voting at all.

I don’t vote for this person. I’m voting against that person.

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Dems have been nothing but a doormat for the last 30 years, the party of complicity. I’m absolutely positive they’ve been playing the dupe and moving the US further to the right all the while playing the victim.

Could have fixed the electoral college but didn’t. Could have codified abortion into the constitution but didn’t. Could have filled RBGs supreme court seat without Senate confirmation regardless of the pearl clutching, but didn’t. Could have put pressure on the justice department to get their investigation done with to get the trial for Trump for treason at least started…but fuck me, they didn’t… seriously- they couldn’t put a case together in 3 years???

Could have, should have, would have. Fucking useless.

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I agree, but also stand by my point. In a horrible 2 party system, they’re simply “not conservative”, and so I’m forced to vote for them. That being said, Bernie should have won.

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22 points

Bernie got railroaded.

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5 points

They are conservative though.

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In my country we stopped voting the socdem party, because they betrayed the workers. From one election to the next they lost like half the votes.

For 4 years the conservative party ruled. But after that the socdem change their politics we voted them again and had had a fairly leftist government for the last year.

They are slacking again so I plan not to vote next election, hoping thar more people get the memo, they sink again in votes and sit to think on why people felt betrayed, and change for the better.

4 years of conservative party were worthy giving that after the socdems turned left again we conquer a lot of things that we wouldn’t have gotten otherwise if we would have keep on voting their moderate centrist version.

We also voted for third parties when they said that it was throwing your vote away, and the other party got almost the same votes as the socdems(too bad they were not that good once they sat on office). My point is that courage is needed to make a change.

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In the US the ruling party fills lifetime judicial appointments, which means the 4 years of conservative rule can have decades of lasting impact that will thwart any progressive policies that the next leftish government tries to implement.

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8 points

You can get around the courts. FDR did.

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6 points

Then they better fucking learn quick, huh?

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Ah yes, so the best option is to not vote and let them succeed unimpeded.

The best option is to scream at anyone who isn’t fucking delighted that your side of the party has moved so far to the right that they’re supporting genocide.

No one can gripe about your shit wing of the party.

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That’s exactly the voter attitude, that gets the broken 2 party system. Politicians know this kind of thinking and use it to their advantage.

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44 points

No.

Look at how the system actually works. There are two choices. Both candidates have to compete for all the people who vote. If you sit out the election that doesn’t mean either candidate will try to get your vote; they’ll ignore you and go after the people who do vote.

Someone else came up with this analogy. It’s like the trolley problem except the there’s a third option. The third choice is to throw the switch to “Neither,” but “Neither” isn’t connected and the trolley kills someone anyway.

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22 points

Or as Rush put it, “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”

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14 points

My friend, what you wrote totally ignores the passage of time. Everything you wrote is true if we only look at one election, and none of it is true if we consider the passage of time and how pressure operates. If the political party is not getting votes, if all of their candidates are losing, either they will disband or they will find different policies to push.

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12 points

George Carlin did a great job blowing this nonsense apart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X4Z1lLUMfw

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If George was alive today he’d be begging people to vote against Trump.

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8 points

No he wouldn’t, and the video I linked explains clearly why. Maybe watch it and try to comprehend what he’s saying there.

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5 points

If 5% of the general election popular vote for POTUS, knowing that the candidate cannot win, still voted for the Green Party platform then what effect would that have upon the Democratic Party platform?

On a five point difficulty scale this is a two. The test gets way harder than this.

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4 points

If my grandmother had wheels she’d be a tea trolley.

Right now the reality is the Donald Trump is going to take office because a lot of people didn’t vote for the alternative.

All the ‘what if…?’ games in the world isn’t going to change that.

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Thank you for the opportunity to teach.

If my grandmother had wheels she’d be a tea trolley.

Minimization.

Right now the reality is the Donald Trump is going to take office because a lot of people didn’t vote for the alternative.

Red herring.

All the ‘what if…?’ games in the world isn’t going to change that.

Minimization.

This is a bit better than typical nonsense because there’s two tactics in a sandwich. Next is usually ad hominem. But, this one may have another trick up their sleeve.

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1 point

Make your 3rd party an arm of the dems. A coalition of sorts

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You understand how things work! Ignore the apathy trolls. They are trying to silence your vote. Here’s what actually happens if you vote for the lesser of two evils. You’re rights are protected and next time use the primary process to pick someone even better.

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You’re rights are protected and next time use the primary process to pick someone even better.

Oh, Like how we voted for the lesser evil in 2020 and didn’t have a fucking primary in 2024. Don’t tell us to do something that your party makes sure doesn’t happen.

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10 points

Lol. What planet do you live on?

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You’re rights are protected

Like how Roe V. Wade was protected when Biden got into office? Like our right to protest the atrocities which our taxes are paying for in Gaza?

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42 points

Fixed

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There is a better way! Ranked choice voting means no more voting for the lesser of two evils. Look into fo yourselves and others - vote to change the voting systems near you!

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Five states banned RCV this past election. You’ll never guess which group made that happen. But hey, both parties are bad.

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RCV won’t fix bourgeois democracy anyway.

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