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2007? Anon is a sweet summer child.

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I’ll say. I was sailing the seas back in the late '90s. By 2007, I had amassed quite a hoard of treasure.

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38 points

Motherfucker was unborn while the rest of us were downloading Darude - Sandstorm on Napster.

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8 points

Nah, AudioGalaxy. Or DALnet.

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13 points

One word. Usenet

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5 points

The first rule of Usenet is….

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29 points

OP forgot Napster, as well as the p2p networks of old like WinMX, Kazaa, etc, nevermind Usenet.

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20 points

Even before that, BBS, WaReZ sites, IRC. Dialup internet wasn’t a problem when RAR files could be split up for a release.

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8 points

IRC was a wild level of automated for its time too

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5 points

Shared drives on a LAN!

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22 points

Add LimeWire and BearShare to the list for nostalgics.

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2 points

There was even search terms for finding open servers on search engines such as: “parent-of” “open-directory” MP3 AVI etc

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Anon got it backwards, networks noticed how profitable Netflix was and bumped the price for Netflix to stream their stuff. Netflix responded by producing their own content rather than leasing others’ at exorbitant rates. Then Netflix later got greedy and bumped their prices, lowered their quality, and cancelled all of their good shows.

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26 points

RIP Inside Job

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Unpopular opinion, but I wasn’t a fan. Was it a bad show? No! Did I enjoy it? Sometimes. How it developed the cult following that it has, I can’t quite piece together. Fantastic voice acting and sound design can only pull so much weight!

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Fantastic acting and production quality can elevate any media but especially TV shows. Look at Shrinking for a prime example. It has the production quality of Dispatches From Elsewhere but it’s essentially a three camera sitcom like Modern Family or hell All in the Family. And it’s KILLING right now.

People like the humor of Inside Job and the fantastic quality made it so much better.

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6 points

An excellent concept with some interesting opportunities, butchered by regressing it to the same kitschy formulaic plotlines as every other uninspiring adult animation show. I don’t want Big Bang Theory, I want Twin Peaks.

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I didn’t care for it either.

I gave it like 3-4 episodes but couldn’t do it. I thought given the cult following and reputation it’d be right up my alley.

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I think it’s a bit of both. Netflix knew that companies choosing to pull their content would be a threat, so they prematurely started producing content (famously starting with House of Cards and Orange is the New Black). Whether because they saw this as a threat or because of the perceived greater profitability of their own platforms (probably a bit of both), other studios started pulling their content from Netflix and setting up their own streaming sites.

And naturally, other companies pulling their content accelerated Netflix’s desire to produce their own content to ensure they weren’t left in the lurch.

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36 points

Yall are overcomplicating things. Let me simplify.

Capitalist corporations + infinite greed = cannibalism

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It’s remarkable how people can see right past what was actually happening and only see what they want to see. Netflix was never trying to be the good guy. Netflix didn’t offer low prices out of the goodness of it’s hearts. It doesn’t have a heart, it has a ledger. The reason why Netflix offered a lot of content for a low price is because the company was trying to disrupt traditional cable. It was always the plan to increase prices, Netflix didn’t become greedy, it always was. It’s just that for a time the companies greed aligned with the publics greed. Once that relationship was no longer beneficial to Netflix it raised the prices, that was the plan all along.

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That’s not overcomplicating it. That’s the exact impetus for Netflix to make their own content (nothing premature about it).

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It doesn’t really matter, though. The only cause of companies pulling their content is Netflix’s success. There was no way Netflix could have prevented it.

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14 points

Yes, Netflix famously said they need to be HBO before HBO could become Netflix.

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8 points

Yeah I consulted for the cable industry around the time that everyone was just starting to try to build their own services to compete with Netflix. It wasn’t a secret that production companies would be pulling their content. There were licensing agreements signed that had expiration dates.

So it was more like a race on both ends. Production companies were like “we get exclusive streaming rights to our movies back in X months, so we need to have our own platform up and running.” And Netflix was like “we lose streaming rights to these movies in X months, we need to make some content to replace it with.”

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7 points

#everybodysawful

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Try the 70s.

That was when VHS and cassette tapes started to hit the market and there was no copy protection on those. Following that, people copied floppy disks enough that they had to make that “dont copy that floppy” jingle.

There was a brief period with the switch to digital and CDROMs where piracy stopped, but then CD burners hit the market and it started again.

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59 points

It turns out in every era, copyright is a sham. Information in its natural state is free - our legal system tries to change that.

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Copyright is a sham is my next tattoo. Maybe with Mickey doing something lewd and that’s the banner underneath.

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26 points

The laws around copyright are designed to prevent citizens from doing things.

The laws around human rights are designed to preventing the government from doing things.

The later expands your agency while the former restricts it.

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3 points

Yall left a big ol’ giant hole in your simplification about these itty bitty things that have an equally outsized impact on all of our lives :

Corporations.

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4 points

Does this make Marion Stokes this most prolific pirate of all time?

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5 points

sony v universal still stands, afaik. fair use.

even at that scale, she did it privately for non-commercial purposes.

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Blatantly wrong. Netflix started producing their own shows because studios suddenly realized they could make more money charging for their own back catalog rather than leasing it to Netflix.

Allowing production companies to be distribution companies / streamers is inherently problematic given that copyright is based around monopolies.

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Netflix correctly knew they were first to market with a streaming service but every production company would quickly pivot to a streaming service, leaving Netflix with no content. So they preemptively started making their own content to try to keep their market share. Sadly their production bets often didn’t pay off.

Tap for spoiler

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19 points

Even ignoring P2P predecessors to torrenting like Kazaa or Napster, there was still piracy early on. I guess it counts as piracy adjacent, but I got started buying bootleg anime boxsets off ebay, because the actual boxsets were like $200/season, and minimum wage was under $7/hour when I started, but I could get the same season on three DVDs from Hong Kong for $30. It wasn’t too long after that, I found out about fansubs and started spending far too much time on IRC, downloading anime, manga and music off XDCC bots. I wasn’t allowed to use bittorrent on the family machine, because “That’s like Kazaa, we’ll get sued into ruin,” but those bots in fansub group channels were fine, especially since it wasn’t immediately apparent looking at mIRC that I had one running too.

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minimum wage was under $7/hour when I started

It’s currently at $7.25 so think about how much you could afford now!

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My first piracy was trading dubbed (as in copied vhs tapes) anime tapes in the 90s because that was literally the only way to get it in small town america unless it was something huge like akira. Although the releases often were dubbed. Kids today don’t know how good they have it with arguing subbed vs dubbed. In the 90s you got what you got and that’s how you watched sailor moon

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