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The proposal also said, “To the extent that there is any risk, it is easily outweighed by the benefits to consumers and businesses of using this [Facial Age Estimation] method.”

What benefits are there to consumers? Here’s one more way you can be denied access.

There has to be zero benefits for all adults, and tbh I don’t see the big risk for minors in accessing entertainment that they’re mature enough to intentionally seek out. Content descriptions and parents communicating with their kids should cover the vast majority of use cases.

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All of it of course comes back to parents not actually wanting to parent. The rules are already in place. Literally all you have to do is not buy Timmy the game.

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Not quite. The main groups who push this crap, IIRC, tend to be the same groups of far-right evangelicals who insist on homeschooling their children because “public schools are liberal indoctrination” and totally not because they’re trying to isolate their child so it’s easier to abuse them. ~Strawberry

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So, let me get this straight. They want to peer into the homes and bedrooms of children all over the world? Gather photographs of them? 😬

And how do they expect this to work on a gaming PC with no camera?

Also, their comment form says not to submit any personally identifiable information, such as your name, and yet it requires you to submit your name, and it says your name will be shown publicly for all to see. To object to a violation of my privacy, I must…allow them to violate my privacy?

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This is a good way to get a lot of people to never pay for a video game ever again, after Steam did a pretty good job convincing people not to pirate.

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The image is then uploaded to Yoti’s backend server for estimation

“Images are immediately, permanently deleted, and not used by Yoti for training purposes.”

the facial recognition does not presential a substantial risk to parents’ privacy or potential biases.

“To the extent that there is any risk, it is easily outweighed by the benefits to consumers and businesses of using this [Facial Age Estimation] method.”

Pretty sure only one of those statements can be true. I’d go with “there is a risk”.

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There’s no paradox. It says there is a risk, it is not substantial, and the benefits outweigh it.

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The paradox is they start claiming no risk… only to step by step admit there is a risk, to end with a “but it’s all fine, trust us”.

Adding that the images are not going to be used for training purposes by them, is like a robber saying “I didn’t break into that store… just the one next door”.

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I don’t like this any more than you, but that isn’t what they’re saying. “To the extent that there is any risk…” is not an admission that there is risk. It’s a CYA statement that means “even if there was a risk we haven’t mentioned/anticipated, it would be outweighed by these benefits.” “There is no substantial risk” is also not an admission of risk; it means they rule out any risk which is “substantial” (in their subjective assessment), but no competently made proposal like this would ever say “there is no risk whatsoever of any kind” because, again, CYA.

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Meanwhile in reality, the risk is a certainty and the benefits don’t exist.

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Right, assuming they’re not lying, which isn’t the kind of assumption you should ever make in the tech industry.

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Definitely. Their marketing speak may not have any holes in it but wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them.

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[My cat’s breath smells like cat food.]

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I left my teens a long time ago, but I’m still constantly asked how high school is going for me. There is plenty of risk for an adult with this. Some of us just look like kids forever. 😬

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I got ID’d the other day to buy beer. I’m almost 40.

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