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He had a knife… on a stick.

I’ll need to see the video on this one, officers, but for now, mark me as damned skeptical that this killing was self-defense.

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He said officers tried to calm Mora down before twice using a Taser on him. They then fired beanbag rounds before ultimately killing him, the man said.

What more do you want them to do?

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This is something I’d like more information on. How did he withstand two taser shots and several beanbags? Did he shrug them off? Did he just keep getting up? Did they only make him more agitated? What made the officers decide that lethal force was necessary?

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What is so hard to believe about someone taping a knife to a stick?

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He doubts this man had to die. Qualified police should have been able ro subdue him without deadly force.

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Would you try and subdue someone like that? Because I wouldn’t.

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Would you do it if you had a taser, a baton, years of training, and a radio to call for backup?

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There are more choices in any given situation than just “do nothing” or “extreme”

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You sound like a cop.

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Are you a cop? Because people who wouldn’t shouldn’t be.

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Yeah. Can and have, plenty of times, armed with nothing and fully expected not to damage the people living in the facility.

I can’t say I’ve never gotten bumps or bruises and it isn’t a job for everybody, but I’d argue that statement then goes double for someone who’s expected to respond to this sort of thing in a less controlled environment.

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Wouldn’t that be a spear?

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With proper materials and construction. Duct taped to a dry stick and it likely would be less lethal than a knife alone, as it’d likely break from swinging force without even hitting something.

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I’ve now better clarified my skepticism.

Was: "… mark me as damned skeptical."

New and improved: “… mark me as damned skeptical that this killing was self-defense.”

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Would you personally try and subdue someone like that without deadly force? Because I wouldn’t.

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Here’s an idea: Maybe we shouldn’t be trying to SUBDUE people who are having mental health crises. Maybe we should try some de-escalation. Maybe we should try to get them to accept sedating meds. Shit, maybe we should hit them with sedating meds from a fucking tranq gun. I can think of several steps along the path long before we arrive at “shucks, guess we had no other option but to murder them” ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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