OK peeps, I am seeing a lot of flamewars lately which go off-topic of this comm. I am also getting dozens of reports about people reporting each other for “rudeness” or “trolling”. I don’t want this comm to start becoming a drama haven, so I want to try and prevent people getting worked up like this.
What do you think about me starting to deploy strategic 1-day bans for people who I notice are getting into flamewars? If not, what else do you suggest to help people remain civil?
Don’t just upvote/downvote. I won’t take these into account, I want actual comments about this to better make a decision.
I dont like the idea of banning people for speach that isnt calling for actionable violence.
U could just delete the whole comment thread (from point of off topic onward) for reason “off topic” and that would solve almost everything.
Im not sure how reporting works never done it and nobody has reported anything on the community i mod. But i can see that people would abuse it it an attempt to silence their opposition. I think bans for clearly bad faith reports is fair.
U think people should at least be warned prior to being sent to the sinbin.
I dont like the idea of banning people for speach that isnt calling for actionable violence. // U could just delete the whole comment thread (from point of off topic onward) for reason “off topic” and that would solve almost everything.
Then the flame war continues in another comment chain.
Maybe, but it does serve as a warning to knock it off, so if that happens then a stronger response is warranted next time.
Using it as a warning is fine, but you can’t do it if you’re against banning people, like the other user is.
None of these already as clear but as you suspects. Neither will simply deleting comments pass uncontested (there’s a post in ytpb right now about me doing exactly that) nor is “bad faith reports” obvious to those making them
Moderator reports are currently not federated with remote Lemmy instances - so with your account being on Lemm.ee and the !news_summary@lemmy.dbzer0.com being on a different instance, whatever reports are being made you are not able to see them. This is only one of the many ways in which moderator tools for Lemmy suck ass atm. Another way is how that list of reports cannot be sorted or filtered in any way, besides resolved yet or not.
Well thats incredibly annoying. I suspect its not federated cos the devs dont want that much moderation transparency hence modlog doesnt tell u which nod did what (it shoukd default to transparent and if people have issues change the settings)
That is intentional - the modlog used to say who, but then it changed and now it just says “mod”.
Though the lack of federation of reports is planned to be fixed, somewhere in like 0.19.20 iirc (the current version is 0.19.18).
I’d rather mod reports not be federated. A lot of mods are power tripping and who the hell wants to earn a reputation as being a problem from some dick head mod across the entire federation?
I know it has downsides but I’d rather things stay decentralized.
The power tripping mod is the one who will be earning a bad rep across the fediverse. Why should they get away with it.
Being mean to someone else because of what they said is fine, unless someone threatens someone or is mean because they’re discriminating
I generally allows some of level of hostility, but when it gets to the point of the just trolling and insults I think it’s time to pause
If its just insults, let the community deal with it with downvotes. No need to get ban happy for something like this.
I disagree. Downvotes don’t have any effect and I don’t follow a complete hands off approach
Rather than going straight to bans (except for egregious trolling, or repeat offenders) I think that maybe removing off-topic discussion threads in their entirety is probably the way to go. If they are discussing something that isn’t directly related to the OPs original complaint, then it’s off topic imo. That would cover 90% of the problem. Personally, I don’t mind some strong language and argumentation so long as it’s about the actual topic. While I know drama isn’t everyone’s jam, it can be entertaining for some folks. And I agree with @neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com that maybe a 24 hour or 48 hour post lock rule would also be helpful so people aren’t going back to dredge up drama again in older posts, while still allowing time for folks to discuss the issue?
The problem is that people don’t have agree with what is “directly related”. Just see the point about PTB in ytpb
First, make it a rule. This community is for discussion about moderation, not about whether a cat can be vegan. If you see off-topic discussion, nip it in the bud and remove the comments. If users continue to knowingly violate the rule, progressively longer bans.
It’s really not hard to stay on topic and avoid a flame war. I know fighting is stimulating, but sometimes it’s better to just put your phone down and walk away.
Leaving comments visible is better for informing others what kind of comments aren’t allowed. Especially if it’s just bickering.
Tbf, if something were removed for “misinformation”, like Russia has invaded Ukraine “for its own good” or whether cats can be vegan, then evaluating whether the mod is acting appropriately or is a PTB depends on those facts?
Though that should not be the focus - as you say the point here is the moderation.
Do it. But please be self-aware and remember that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Lets not get bogged down in analysis paralysis. Do it, gauge the feedback, adjust, iterate (the beatings will continue until morale improves).
