Hello all, it is with a heavy heart that I must admit that I have become the drama that I always sought to avoid for this server. In this case, I could easily let sleeping dogs lie, but I’m somewhat exhausted and I don’t really see the point of continuing here if there isn’t some semblance of justice or rational thought to be found. More to the point, if Lemmy continues to display outright hostility and toxicity towards Americans at every turn, there is virtually no chance that this platform will ever develop beyond its current fringe status.

Although this server is based in Canada, I think we probably have a good number of Americans, and also despite recent events I think Canadians and Americans are fairly similar and have historically gotten along quite well with one another. I’m curious if a more diverse array of people will find any value in my actions, or if I’m truly just shouting into the wind. Strap in, because this is gonna be a long one.

This all started yesterday when @DankOfAmerica@reddthat.com made a post to AskLemmy. The original post read as follows.

I responded here. I had indeed noticed the constant derisive comments regarding Americans, although I didn’t agree with the assumption that such comments were made by Russian/Chinese agents, and stated as much.

In my view, the responses to both OP and myself in that thread constitute clear evidence that at least one of our assumptions was true. In response to being called out on their hateful behavior, a number of users proceeded to double down, attempting to gaslight myself and OP and even suggesting that we were actually the Russian spies 🕵️‍♂️

Several hours later, one of our users decided to make a post “exposing” my behavior on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com. Despite the fact that I hadn’t utilized any moderator powers during this saga, he found my words to be offensive enough to post on said community. The post was eventually removed because it was unsuitable for the community, but not before I had replied in defense of myself. This was unfortunate, although understandable, because I felt that my response was something that Lemmy users could benefit from hearing.

I made this post because I want my fellow sh.itjust.works users to judge whether my actions and thoughts were reasonable, and I also want to expose this individual for what they are. My first option was !fediverselore@lemmy.ca, but it’s not allowed to post drama that you’re involved in. Also, I’m not really looking for the opinions of people who subscribe to drama communities on Lemmy, but rather the opinions of the average sh.itjust.works user. So here’s the screenshot of the removed post.

Here’s my reply.

It’ll probably be easier reading if you go to my profile and/or his profile. Although the post was deleted, the comments should still appear in our profiles.

To summarize, this user bullied a brand new user into deleting their account, responding to an innocent, highly upvoted meme with this comment

He let’s me freely hang out at his nice place full of amenities so I can’t badmouth him

Lmfao, no, you can, you just like the taste of boot, and the benefits he gives you (that he only has because he exploits people like you) too much to.

Also, those last two points in the meme, as well as this being your only post on a new account strongly suggest that this is a troll, or at the very least, a really sad LARP, rather than observations made by someone who has ever spent any time at all with any actual rich people.

Two days later, he decided to call me out for mod abuse, despite the fact that I hadn’t removed a single comment of his. Now he’s decided to move over to lemmy.dbzer0.com, thank goodness.

But overall, aside from the specifics of this drama, I also want y’all to render judgment on whether or not Lemmy tends to exhibit a toxic attitude towards Americans. Notice that I said Americans, not America. I don’t give a shit if people criticize and blatantly shit on America for the decisions that our government makes. But it’s far too often that Lemmy users go beyond that line and decide to hurl personal insults towards Americans, often in completely non-political communities. I’ve always had thick skin and an open mind, so if I’m getting annoyed by it, my assumption is that most other Americans will find it intolerable. And although we don’t need to be a majority American site by any means, the sheer numbers dictate that if Americans find this site intolerable, it will never achieve mainstream success.

And if I hear one more fucking person say that America only joined World War 2 after it was already over, or that we were cowards for not joining sooner, I swear to God I’ma start criticizing the metric system again 😂

EDIT:

Thanks for the replies, I’ll try to be less of an arrogant prick going forward and in return I’d like people to reflect on my words from time to time. My primary motivation is making Lemmy better and having more diverse viewpoints, I wouldn’t have called anyone out if I didn’t feel that some of you are creating an environment that is self-destructive towards our goals in that regard. But maybe I’m overreacting, I would just ask you to put yourself in other people’s shoes before making comments, and remember that we’re all on the same team here, even the North American Scum

29 points

I find people who’s personality is “anti-X” or “fuck-Y” are usually not enjoyable to be around.

There’s plenty of those on Lemmy, yes. But thankfully just a loud minority. Banning them (as a user), made Lemmy much more enjoyable.

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Then better ban all of Europe. Right now America is giving us even more reason to be anti-American.

Create your own little echo chamber where you can convince yourself America doesn’t deserve every bit of anti-American hate it’s getting.

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35 points

Girl, I’m from Belgium :)

It takes quite the ego to pretend to speak for all of europe

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Well, I never said there weren’t also right-wing losers in Europe. The only reason why someone like Musk can make an attempt at getting his little claws in here is because there are a few “sympathetic” voices around.

It’s up to the majority, then, to collectively stick up their middle fingers and say fuck off!

You’re free to join them, if you like Americans so much.

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7 points

I’m from Belgium

No you’re not. Everyone knows Belgium doesn’t exist, especially Belgians.

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2 points

Please be my first Belgian friend, you don’t have to give me lambics or anything.

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4 points

Then better ban all of Europe. Right now America is giving us even more reason to be anti-American.

Aren’t there several European countries with the problem of far-right parties gaining power in their governments? Germany literally just stripped firearm rights from their version of these groups earlier this week

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Germany literally just stripped firearm rights from their version of these groups earlier this week

Any source on that? Couldn’t find anything in a quick search.

About your question, I asked the Germans how the situation was there with the upcoming February election: https://feddit.org/post/6479021

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Honestly, people who are unequivocally pro-X or “why are you always critizing Y” are much worse overall, especially when X and Y are governments, companies or otherwise groups that the person isn’t even really a part of.

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6 points

Everybody hates somebody.

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Not from sh.itjust.works

But I think that user (@DankOfAmerica@reddthat.com) just saw a bunch of posts from lemmygrad or hexbear and concluded that “Lemmy is Anti-American”, which is not true at all. Lemmy users criticize the US, but (other than the aforementioned tankies) aren’t hating on Americans. (At least, that’s my experience.)

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10 points

Well you did elect a felon who attempted coup and is now promising invasions of sovereign nations.

Americans do deserve a bit of shit for that.

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Americans do deserve a bit of shit for that.

Are we gonna blame the average Russian for Putin? Blame the average Chinese person for Xi Jingping?

trump only got “elected” because the Citizen’s United ruling that allowed the rich to spend unlimited money to buy propaganda to push their agenda. So we are blaming "Americans’ as a whole? The average American is an underpaid worker who barely have any time to understand politics, and is stuggling to survive in ultra-corporatist oligarchic capitalism. This shouldn’t be a European vs American thing. Its always been the 99% of us, worldwide, vs the 1% rich that controls the world.

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I don’t know about the Chinese, but for russia yeah they’re all for the war and only complains when they are somehow affected by it. The usa-ians? Yeah that too, he didn’t win with 20 votes but tens of millions. Who is responsible in a democracy according to you?

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Who is responsible in a democracy according to you?

If it were 100% a democracy, then sure, you can blame the majority of the people. But is the US really democratic? Sure there are elections, but are elections really free and fair? The rich can just spend unlimited amount of money to spread lies to people, can you really blame the people for not knowing better? If the people doesn’t have easy access to unbiased information, and the most prominent news are constantly blaming democrats, and sane-washing trump, portrays his neo-fascist policies as somehow even comparible to the democratic status quo, that’s not really a true democracy, at best its a hybrid regime with with somewhat democratic features.

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1 point

Jep. You always have a choice.

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11 points

This along with the upcoming damage to Canadian trade is why you’re seeing a lot more Canadians talking shit. Of course we’re pissed: Trump opening his dumb shit-eating mouth caused our dollar to lose 10-15 cents on the US dollar.

Also it’s pretty funny that some Americans (like OP) think Europeans are jealous of them and that’s why they shitpost about America. Americans need to actually talk to Europeans about this, because they will find out America is viewed as a deeply immoral and unequal country, stuck in a backward way of life because Americans think it’s the greatest nation on Earth.

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First, I think OP is making a big deal where it’s not necessary. And the US as a nation has done many fucked up things.

That said, thinking about people not nations, I’m American and I didn’t elect a felon. Yes, 77 million voters picked Trump, which is shitty and doesn’t make sense. 75 million voters chose Kamala. And around 110 million people of voting age didn’t vote at all. (Which also doesn’t make sense to me)

But you can imagine for those 75 million people it’s not going to feel good to be painted with the same brush, and it’s not kind to do so.

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11 points

Thanks for the transparency. As I’ve stated in other comments, I am American and I typically have better interactions here than on other social media sites. I really like seeing which community the individual is from and seeing the upvote/downvote ratio. If there is baseless criticism, most of the time it is either dropped when I ask them for more detail, or an actual discussion springs out of it. Finally, I’m a big fan of sh.itjust.works and happy to be here. I wouldn’t have any judgement to give; the internet is harder to tolerate everywhere as more users become bitter and/or hateful.

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4 points

That’s good to hear, I’m sorry to bring this negativity into our community but I just needed to get it off my chest somehow.

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7 points

I give you my full permission, as an installation wizard, to be a human being and interract with your community.

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2 points

I’ve been looking at that meme for 5 hours now.

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2 points

I keep trying to download it, but it resists me. Like Aslan, you can’t tame him…THE ROAD GOES EVER ON.

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4 points

I’m gonna echo this poster’s comment. Though I don’t agree with some of what you said (and do recognize that you were just needing a bit of validation/vent), overall, I love SJW and the work you do. We know it’s a thankless task, but just know that you provided a solid landing ground for the Reddit exodus and ppl are thankful for what you do 😊

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