If you want to hang out or use the restroom at Starbucks, you’re going to have to buy something.

Starbucks on Monday said it was reversing a policy that invited everyone into its stores. A new code of conduct – which will be posted in all company-owned North American stores – also bans discrimination or harassment, consumption of outside alcohol, smoking, vaping, drug use and panhandling.

Starbucks spokesperson Jaci Anderson said the new rules are designed to help prioritize paying customers. Anderson said most other retailers already have similar rules.

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Quick reminder that your local library probably does not follow those rules. Go hang out at your local library instead! Depending on location/country they might have a café too.

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And libraries are not just about books. This is a thread I made about the new library branch my wife oversaw the design of opening:

https://lemmy.world/post/21386043

The reason conservatives hate libraries is because everything in them is free. Many (like my wife’s library system) do not even charge late fees anymore.

Many modern libraries also offer a ton of digital lending including ebooks, audiobooks and even streaming movies and TV.

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My local library also offers a thermal camera rental! I’ve borrowed one several times, it’s very useful!

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Nice! Having the free 3D printer access has been really useful for us on more than one occasion. We have no need to purchase one, but maybe once every six months, we might need to replace a part to something we can just 3D print and it’s been great.

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Just curious, but do they still have due dates if not late fees?

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They do. But basically it triggers a series of nagging emails which eventually result in a final one saying that you either return the book or pay for the book if you wish to continue using library services. If I remember correctly, that takes about nine months. And they don’t charge some outrageous price for the book either, they just charge what it would cost to replace it. They might not even do that because they might not actually want to replace it, but my wife has never actually told me that. I imagine that’s the case though because they’re constantly weeding out books that no one has taken a look at in 20 years in order to make room for new books.

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I think they get annoyed when certain libraries get political and have displays featuring gender identity crises related books. I’ve seen it at my local library, and it’s a bit much when I’m in there with my little 1st grader.

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Better that they know about it at 6 than grow up feeling like they’re broken inside and end up taking their own life at 16.

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Bro, the books aren’t going to reach out and grab your kid. Your kids are probably not interested in it anyway. I’m more honestly worried that my kids are going to wander into the cringe fox news host books section, because the school has started programming their little brains about patriotism and such.

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How does it harm your child in any way to see book covers about gender topics?

Also, never, ever take them into a bookstore if that sort of thing is too damaging for them. They might see something like this and be immediately corrupted! They put them right there out in the open on display!

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I love going to the library to panhandle and smoke. Librarians don’t mind, I always leave them a good tip.

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That’s a great idea!

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But I can’t talk about how cool my macbook is and the bootstrap code I just copy and pasted

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You still can but the librarian might shush you.

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Also community college libraries. Theyre usually open where you can kinda just show up

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💯! This will also improve society as a whole if people went to library more than coffee shops. We take are kids all the time, and they love books and excel in school.

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Support
Local
Coffee
Shops

thanks.

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This, also BDS.

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I did a support call for a local coffee shop about a decade ago.

They had a separate WiFi router for guests. When they got a squatter they unplugged the guest WiFi if when they wanted him out.

They were in a very high traffic area and had minimal seating.

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LOL

Ten years ago I would have just blocked the MAC address.

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That requires you to be able to log into the router first. Most of the people working there don’t even know how to do that. (Even if it’s printed on the bottom)

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The local shops all close early. I don’t even drink coffee. I just want a place to work with WiFi. I usually buy a snack and drink.

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SLCS?

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my local coffee shops are not only cheaper, but better than the Starbucks, at least the ones downtown

better vibes and nicer staff too

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Targeting the growing homeless population. Don’t let it confuse you for anything else.

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Exactly. Fascism was here but all the billionaires are putting out their flags now.

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Why would it possibly be on Starbucks to provide places for homeless people to hang out for hours. This should be a public function.

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Yeah! Why should a business within a community do things that help support that community!

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I know you’re just circlejerking here so discussion is probably pointless, but there are many ways to serve the community and providing a quiet, nicely ambient place (aspirational goals, only met sometimes in reality) to sit or work for a few hours, for the price of a $3 coffee is one. I live in New York and for just over the price of a subway ride I can get wifi, a desk to work, outlets and a decently comfortable chair, and a restroom, and I can hang out there a while.

Serving the homeless in public places is notoriously difficult to get right, as most state and local governments experience demonstrates. Why we’d expect a cafe company to do a good job as well as meet its other goals is confusing.

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So before this rule homeless people in the US could sit in a starbucks all day everyday without ordering anything?

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It’s a café though… Isn’t this normal for a café?

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Yeah. But now they don’t have any advantages over other cafés. Except the fact that their coffees basically double as a rich snack I guess.

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Sure, if you like burned coffee.

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Just put ten parts milk in there with some sugar and you’ll never know.

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A lot of places don’t just have cafés. Starbucks is about the only place in town with WiFi and a place to hang out

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It’s the consumption of an idea. There’s very little in the way of substance at Starbucks. I achieved more than any Starbucks order by grinding my folgers classic roast just now while using an unbleached compostable coffee filter and having cleaned the coffee maker with all natural biodegradeable dish soap. Can’t afford good coffee grounds right now, but recently I had ‘Punk Goes The Bunny’, Billie Joe Armstrong’s (from Green Day) coffee brand.

But here I am wondering if I’m just consuming a bunch of ideas myself. Consuming the idea of Punk Rock for instance, or eco-friendliness, or health. But then I catch myself and say “Those are tangible benefits.” Anything more likely to make me listen to The Clash is a positive, anything that’s not gonna put bleach in my body, anything that’s gonna be clean for making coffee but without such a residue of dangerous chemicals as is typical with cleaners, and anything to add to my compost.

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I didn’t follow all that, but the Clash is the only band that matters.

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Hanging out in Libraries is free! I’ve gone in just for the AC.

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AC, read something, have a nice seat for a while.

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Or to pick up LILFs!

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