Donald Trump would have been convicted of crimes over his failed attempt to cling to power in 2020 if he had not won the presidential election in 2024, according to the special counsel who investigated him.

Jack Smith’s report (***the report is 174 pages long) detailing his team’s findings about Trump’s efforts to subvert democracy was released by the justice department early on Tuesday.

Following the insurrection on 6 January, 2021, Smith was appointed as special counsel to investigate Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election. His investigation culminated in a detailed report, submitted to the attorney general, Merrick Garland.

Volume one of the report meticulously outlines Trump’s actions, including his efforts to pressure state officials, assemble alternate electors and encourage supporters to protest against the election results.

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You had 4 years. 4 years.

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Yeah, that’s just a lame excuse. It just conveniently took too long, ah shucks, if only he hadn’t won, gosh darnit.

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We have to distinguish between Jack Smith who started in 2022, and was extremely unlucky with respect to court decisions, and Garland who wasted 2 years before appointing Smith.

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75 points

canon delayed it, not smith. did everyone forget about all that?

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50 points

Exactly. Corruption is what made it take so long, not the prosecutor.

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did everyone forget about all that?

Well, yeah. There’s too much stuff going on deliberately to keep track of everything and remember the details months or years after the fact.

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Blame Garland

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Blame Garland

And Biden, and democrats in congress for not pushing to fucking get it done for 2 years.
And Pelosi for preventing any action and protecting Trump while he was president, and she was majority leader.
And Mueller for making a mockery of the special investigation, dragging it out for years, and then having done just about the narrowest investigation possible, and letting traitors walk despite clear evidence.

It’s fucking incompetence all the way through, to a degree it must be perceived as maliciousness, and that both parties are in on it.

Goddam I’m happy to live in a country that doesn’t effectively have a 2 party system. I cannot fathom how Americans tolerate their idiotic flawed democracy for almost 250 years now! Isn’t it about time to modernize? And yet American politicians boast of their democracy and claim to protect democracy around the world, when they fucking can’t even figure it out for their own country!

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Interrupting the peaceful transition of power should have been the Day 1 job of the justice department. Not the second year job of Jack Smith.

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Mueller cited a dozen times where Trump committed obstruction and specifically said it was up to Congress to impeach him.

But a corrupt AG released a summary of the report that just fucking lied about what was in the report and people believed it.

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Congratulations to the American people, for having the guts to elect a crazy criminal malignant narcissist idiot for president.
I doubt many places would have the guts to do that.
To be entirely honest, this makes me doubt we will make it as a species.

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To be entirely honest, this makes me doubt we will make it as a species.

On election day when he didn’t lose by a landslide I had the same thought even before all the results were in. The level of idiotic selfish spitefulness required to keep him from losing by a country mile after all that’s happened is absurd.

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IDK why you are downvoted, maybe it’s the double negative?

But just to make it clear, keep from losing = winning.
So corrected for double negative:

The level of idiotic selfish spitefulness required for him to win…

And yes I agree completely, it’s insane he even had a chance, and it says a LOT about the American society as a whole is mentally ill.

Not everybody, but enough to make it a systemic problem throughout everything in society. It must be hell to live in USA as a normal person!

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Thanks, yeah I’m not sure. Maybe my wording is confusing… it’s early here. And I’m pissed. I don’t want to live in a world where a person is rewarded heartily for being all the horrible shitty things we were all taught not to be. It almost feels like morality was invented to keep everyone from having the balls to lash out against these absolute sociopath types.

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Looks like you also got a downvote for your helpful reply for whatever reason. How people vote on this site is one of those things I’ll never understand.

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22 points

Congratulations to the American people, for having the guts to elect a crazy criminal malignant narcissist idiot for president.

Twice!

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19 points

The Covid response taught me we’re doomed.

If we can’t get people to wear masks and get vaccinated for a disease that’s actively killing millions we ain’t gonna do shit over climate change.

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The empires will fall but the species will remain. We would have to kill the entire planet’s ecology for humanity to go extinct, we’re too good at adapting.

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We would have to kill the entire planet’s ecology

We’re working on that. The methane hydrate problem is terrifying

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Voted for Harris out of usual attempted harm reduction because this place is irreparably destroyed since Reagan, but let’s not kid ourselves, Donald Trump represents the United States as it is perfectly.

Proudly ignorant, proudly greedy, proudly gluttonous, obese, egotistical, explicitly judges others on net worth, perpetually drunk on cruelty and schaudenfreude, obsessed with image and his own ego score, demands loyalty and servitude while providing none aka a devout capitalist, obsessed with economic metastasis at literally any human and societal cost, proudly racist while still insisting he’s not, the embodiment of what Americans disgustingly praise: a hyperindividualist who revels in blaming people not born to wealth for their suffering and insists this is a meritocracy after a lifetime of spending daddy’s money.

Donald Trump is like the zeitgeist of the modern United States somehow took tangible human form. You can try to argue we don’t deserve him, or that we have the potential to be a better society than one that would elect him, but you can’t argue he represents who and what a loathsome society we are. A monument of all our sins.

He’s more American as apple pie or baseball ever was, and he’s at least as American as our current national pastimes of mass shootings and of course disgusting hyper-consumption.

That’s why he illicits such a strong response in both directions. Whether you are repulsed or see your own necrotic heart in him, He is an accurate mirror of the practiced culture of The United States of America.

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One of the all time greatest comments on Lemmy. Bravo.

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Killed it really. Bless us with the rest of your wisdom, I can never hope to word shit this well

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I’m not happy about it but you’re right 😡👍

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I’m not either. But I find peace in understanding, even if the answers suck, as this one does.

If I had an in anywhere in Europe, I’d leave and never look back.

I phone banked for Sanders twice, but have finally accepted this place would take generations of concerted effort to be anything less than cruel and inhuman. It’s too proud of the core causes of its rot (worshipped sociopathic “free to die in the streets market” economy, pride in individualism over community or society, social resentment of paying into Commons like public Ed, greed seen as virtue rather than character deficit and social ill, etc) to want to change.

Ask any therapist, if someone isn’t seeking change, you won’t get anywhere with them. We want things to get better, but we still want to dream of being millionaires and billionaires, and to remain addicted to harmful social opiates like social media, fast food, extreme consumerism, literal opiates, etc.

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Perfectly said, and I’ve been reaching the same conclusion lately.

I too attempted harm reduction while being disappointed in the democrats. And we all know plenty of people stayed home or went third party for some of those reasons.

But damn it, this country turned out to vote FOR Trump. The democrats didn’t just miss the mark and Trump got lucky or whatever. Trump won decisively because he’s the kind of asshole that a huge part of our culture loves.

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“Schadenfreude” and “elicits.” Otherwise, I agree with you 100%.

(I’m just a pedant when it comes to spelling, grammar and punctuation.)

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Always appreciated, FS. It helps me to improve!

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Love him or hate him, he’s the best clown in the circus. He has some mystical power to always have everyone’s attention and never face consequences. It’s the same reason fuckin Elon musk will be president one day.

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Trump is America Personified, that is not a condemnation of him, but of the systems that created him.

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I need this on a t-shirt.

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73 points

They say the US justice system moves slowly, but this is incredibly slow. I’m not an American, but if I was I would be very disappointed.

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Investigations of Trump reliably conclude just after it becomes impossible for them to have any effect on him. It feels a little deliberate on the part of both Republicans and Democrats.

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Looking in from the outside I don’t think that’s what’s happening. It’s just the US legal system being very pliable if you have enough capital. Which isn’t great.

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You can still be disappointed.

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Sure. I can, but I can’t vote in the US so I find that spending my emotional energy on that has fairly limited effects.

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10 points

I still find it sad that we live in a world where a large amount of people praise felons

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Even if you could vote, our system is designed to prevent your vote from having an impact in multiple ways. Fuck this country.

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It’s only slow for some. For others it’s fast.

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I am very disappointed.

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THEN WHY DIDN’T YOU

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Let’s be fair here, they only had 4 years to get this done. A mere 1460 days or 35040 hours.

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Maga won’t do it and libs are pussies. The US summed up in one sentence.

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Corrupt courts definitely impeded any progress

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