167 points

This shit is straight up evil, will the company be held accountable for their crimes? This is what our justice system is for. Based on what we know so far, more crimes would be bound to come out in an investigation.

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66 points

Even if they’re held to account there just gonna Texas two step and declare bankruptcy.

And then spin up another subsidiary and start over,

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38 points

I wish it wasn’t the case. "Corporations are people too should go both ways… Death penalty if you do evil enough crimes.

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14 points

I will believe that, “corporations are people,” the moment that Texas executes one.

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6 points

This should absolutely happen. And it’s not just because corporations bad. It’s because it would fix the process of risk analysis and decision making.

It’s one thing to have an accident or run into unintended consequences of business decisions. Maybe some of those could carry the death penalty in extreme cases of negligence, but probably not the vast majority.

But if the company spent decades lying and conspiring in order to make some money while destroying lives and killing people left and right? The government should seize all shares of the company (yes even the ones in our 401ks) overnight and detain the officers and directors of the company for the criminal investigation.

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18 points

Individuals who committed these crimes on behalf of the company should be charged with fraud a the very least.

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46 points

The justice system that just allowed a convicted criminal to run out the clock on a heinous crime and become president

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8 points

a heinous crime

Friend, you’re going to have to be WAY more specific than that.

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4 points

Fair

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39 points

Luigi held them accountable, let’s hope for more

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18 points

Allegedly

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9 points

Did he though? The company is still doing all this shit and making tons of money.

Sure, they publicly mourned him and condemned the killing, but they also went right back to business, making cash hand over fist with no pause or real consideration to what they are doing to their customers at all.

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Well if the public keeps hearing that they overcharged patients 1000% and that he was CEO during 51,000 denials for life saving health care it may get the jury to not prosecute. Which in turn would mean change your practices or it may be open season on Healthcare executives.

I imagine overhauling their practices and publicly trying to show they are changing them may ensure he gets charged and then they would have to try to float back to ripping people off quietly.

Odds he walks are slim, odds he walks and they don’t change their practices which leads to more executives deaths is higher from the outrage I’ve seen

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6 points

If at first you don’t succeed. Try try again.

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32 points

It’s not the justice system, it’s the legal system

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6 points

Can we start using the justice system instead, then?

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5 points

That system seems to be malfunctioning severely. Bypassing that system has physical risks to the user and should not be attempted lightly.

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That’s how leftists traditionally point out that the rule of law is often immoral and unfair. An important distinction and longstanding ideological point of disagreement.

But when the law says one thing but the judges say another out of fear of political consequences, it’s not even legal system either. Which is what happened with Trump’s cases and is going to keep happening increasingly often especially with a strongly partisan SC.

Americans need to understand that the rule of law is dead or dying and won’t save them. It does not matter anymore what the law says, the fascists and oligarchs control all three branches of federal government and are open about the fact that they’ll drop all pretense of political neutrality or independence. The judicial branch won’t stop the executive from violating your rights and vice-versa. The only counterpowers are the states and the people, to the extent that they give a shit (election says about 3/4 of Americans do not give a shit or actively support fascism). It’s not a legal system anymore. It does not matter that the law is on your side when your enemy makes regular “campaign contributions” to the rulers.

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From where I’m sitting, the justice system seems to be more interested in investigating poor individuals than rich companies. I can’t think of many modern examples of rich companies (or even people) being held accountable for something that didn’t involve stealing from other rich people.

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There’s examples but they aren’t proportional. Oh, a company with 3 billion in revenue poisoned the water supply for a whole county? Let’s fine them $10 million.

That definitely teaches them a lesson about consequences, except the lesson is that they don’t matter.

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US Government: Best I can do is a slap on the wrist to the tune of about 0.0000001% of their yearly profits and a hardy, “don’t do that.”

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9 points

The shareholders are quite pleased with their returns

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138 points

When will we start holding these people accountable? It is easy to say “corporations are bad” and then sit on your hands. It’s different to start calling out the people who ultimately make the corporations evil.

We have whole classes of people comfortable fucking people over – sometimes with deadly consequences.

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“We” as in society, the government, and the legal system, will never hold them accountable.

Shielding against personal responsibility and liability is one of the bedrock features of American corporations. Piercing the corporate veil is the rare exception and is seen as a big deal. And that’s because the veil protects rich people.

“We” as in highly motivated individuals who may or may not have a plumbing company with their brother, seem the most likely to do something about it.

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Well, the Law is supposed to protect us from Bad People, or so they and the powerful tell us again and again (and again, and again, and again).

Of course, in reality as the Ju$tice System’s reaction to Luigi’s action compared to their reaction to abusive and even murderous actions done by those hidden behind UnitedHealth makes painfully obvious, the Law mostly protects powerful Bad People from our reaction to those people doing Bad Things.

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People don’t make corporations evil. The system of economics makes evil corporations win. Until the system changes, nothing else can

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While I desperately want to believe that we have finally reached a tipping point where it becomes time to start investing in companies that make diagonal shaped blades, I’m resigned to the fact that no matter how angry we get, most of the hoi polloi is too lazy to care about it as long as they have the newest fun gadget in their hands and a bigger TV than last year.

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20 points

Guns are useful for a fearful populace, to give them the illusion of some kind of control.

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5 points

How’d Afghanistan turn out?

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Then why do cops have them?

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16 points

There are hardly any restrictions on them nothing is stopping you. Don’t use that as an excuse when we see mass shootings on TV almost every week. It’s only poor people that die from gun violence usually

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9 points

You are going to love America.

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3 points

Yeah, if they’re talking about restrictive laws when it comes to gun ownership, there’s no chance they have to deal with UnitedHealth.

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4 points

Are the restrictive laws in the room with you?

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*blinks T O R T U R E in morse code

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One of the more ridiculous reasons I’ve seen for even less regulations on guns

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79 points

America is going to miss Lina Khan a lot in the next 4 years.

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37 points

Probably the best part of the biden administration. But let’s be real, the oligarchs were making moves to replace her either way.

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17 points

Same as Katie Porter. Her white board was awesome for Americans, but also her death knell.

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I’ve never seen a woman set herself up in a better position to run for office in this country though.

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Just fucking write “tenfold”, Jesus fuck.

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I’m an idiot

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