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“the rulers” dude, this isn’t D&D

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Nope… it’s far worse.

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You’ve done it, the bourgeoisie are no more!

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? They’re just following the end game of capitalism, they’re trying to squeeze every last bit of profit out of the internet that they can, it has nothing to do with the internet “threatening” power, they already took care of that with all of the spying laws they passed when the internet started getting popular

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interest rate hikes, VCs are demanding their money back and companies are scrambling to become profitable/more profitable.

Edit: forgot to address the other point, they don’t really care about us spreading ideas as long as we don’t actually threaten their power. There is absolutely 0 threat of a socialist revolution anywhere in the west right now

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Capitalism is on a regular decline. It’s typically good for development, then after the dust settles it declines.

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I don’t think the “spying laws” are what makes the internet controlled. It’s the constant, huge waves of misinformation and weak thought, which are enabled by those “spying laws”, among others ways. Just my two cents, tho.

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That’s fair, didn’t think of that in the moment

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One more time if anyone says that capitalism breeds innovation we need to show them this ¡!

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restricted capitalism does that. regular capitalism makes monopoly.

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Does it though? Universities seem to be doing the heavily lifting innovation-wise.

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Well yes, but universities certainly do not stop Nestlé from selling their own products so cheap that local businesses (which refused to get bought up by Nestlé) go bankrupt because they can not sell their only product with a loss.

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What’s your point? Monopoly does not imply innovation.

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This ain’t capitalism, this is going back to a rent based economy.

Aka: Techno Feudalism

Let me just point you to this:

https://doctorow.medium.com/autoenshittification-cb851c2574fb

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Paywall!

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Oh almost like if in capitalism they didn’t say that oligarchys are a problem. What we needed is to send these giants down.

That would prove difficult considering money rules, you can make people do you bidding, make them disappear and suffer little to no consequences.

So what we needed is a decent anti-monopoly, anti-oligarchy force.

Just like when the us gov dismantled AT&T into thousands of smaller different cervices and that created things like mobile rputhers and etc.

Soo the, Google at this point is putting down more inovatjon that he is bringing it to the table.

Problem is not capitalism, it’s all that power centered in the same place. Almost like a dictatorship.

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The problem isn’t capitalism, it’s just the system that allows power to be centralized through market forces and used to bribe regulatory bodies. Oh wait…

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https://lemm.ee/post/2125276

Shit man I would love to hear how you would stop power concentration in communism or any other form of government…

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Well that was when anti trust laws actually worked ! Alphabet , meta etc are literally sucking americans poor. Still we dont see anything !

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Tbh as a Climat activist who grew up surrounded by deniers …yhe… the feeling of hopeless is strong. But hey I have been seeing slow and gradual change, when things are getting bad.

At least in your scenario (at the moment) when they go down we might be able to reverse the worse consequences. Unlike climate where we probably just fucked.

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So you want government to do this?

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Anarchy please

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I mean, it’s all innovation in some way… Just all anti-consumer.

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This is innovation though, an internet wide DRM would be quite an impressive technical feat. It’s just not innovation built to benefit you and me, it’s built to benefit Google’s true customers, advertisers

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Yeah… They find innovative ways to milk us of our money and attention and annoy the heck out of everyone

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This might be an unpopular and ignorant take.

Services like Reddit, Twitter and Youtube needs to make money somehow. They provide a service that the users enjoy, and it is fair that they want componsation for those services. Aslong as they are upfront with how and what you are paying with I think it is fine, and the user can themself choose not to use the service if they feel like the payment is too high.

It seems like we are whining about not being able to watch quality content for free. Even Lemmy needs donations or kind souls to keep running.

The DRM and Chrome changes might be worse… But in the end it is the same base argument, we need more competition to reduce the price or stop using services we don’t like / want to pay for.

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I wouldn’t say its unpopular, but I do agree its a bit ignorant but not in the probably negative way you mean.

I think its your acceptance that its fundamental that “Business MUST profit and we MUST suffer to allow them to profit”

You’re making a huge leap that we need to suffer through all of the internet getting worse just because a corporation wants to profit. Fuck Google, Fuck Reddit, fuck all businesses that fail. Who cares? We owe them nothing.

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I guess they don’t have to profit, but I believe they do have to cover their expenses (salary, hosting, etc). This is needed with capatalism or any other model (yes I know they have huge profits sadly)

I do agree that the market is failing, where we have way to little competition. Or that maybe a alternative to capatilism would solve the issue.

But in every thread here I feel like most people just expect to use everything on the internet for free, which is absurd to me. Why would anyone host a service like youtube if you didnt get any income from the users? The server costs alone must be huge.

Why would people write articles if they do not get any money from it?

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Why would people write articles if they do not get any money from it?

Ever heard of Wikipedia?
Or blogs?
Weren’t loads of people quitting reddit because they refused to have their free content contributions monetised?

Capitalism makes you think many things that aren’t true: people only being motivated by money is one, humans being naturally selfish and greedy is another, and the notion that it is the best and only viable system. Are you starting to see a thread there?

It’s all about maintaining the illusions it needs to continue to exist, but you can learn how to see beyond, and unlearn all these lies, you just have to be willing to.

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I’m fine with paying for YouTube premium. I find good value in it and like YouTube music. Fuck Google for continuing to push this though. I’m working on degooglefing myself.

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We are living in a real life 1984

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War is peace.

Freedom is slavery.

Ignorance is strength.

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Dyslexic’s being attacked by that font

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