199 points

and somehow it’s still one of the least shitty feeling megacorp websites

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Because it’s actually trying to serve the user, kinda.

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16 points

How else are you going to give money to them if you can’t discover games on sale?

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37 points

The enshitification way would be to make games hard to find. And then charge game companies for their game to be better discoverable or promoted.

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You say that, but it applies to any store website, and yet most of them are abysmal.

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34 points

that’s probably because it’s not a megacorp, but a private company owned by a single person. not a corporation at all.

there’s a big difference. a corporation is owned by a board of investors. those companies are legally obligated to provide maximum return for their investors. corporations have been sued for being “too charitable to their customers” rather than maximize profits. a private company can do whatever it wants at the whims of it’s owner. in this case Gabe Newell actually kind of wants to create a decent experience because that’s what he believes has created their market dominance. he’s right.

corporations like Ubisoft and ea are legally obligated to squeeze you for every penny in their platforms.

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what word would you use then? megaentity? megabusiness?

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like… company or business. they’re not actually very big compared to true megacorporations. like Amazon and ge are megacorps. they make many many things across thousands of facilities with millions of employees. you cannot live in modern society without encountering them. be it amazon Web services or the light bulbs in the street lights outside. valve is just a company. they do one thing and do it well. there are alternatives that you can easily use. it is not hard to avoid them as a company and most people don’t actually use steam. sure, most Western pc gamers do, but that’s a small percentage of the global population.

valve is just a company. not even an especially large one. not every successful business is a megacorp. some aren’t even that bad. the world is shades of grey, some big businesses are much much less bad than others. valve doesn’t do much harm. megacorporations always do.

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Steam UI genuinely fucks, and if you’re suggesting it should be homogenized into the bland, emotionless material design full of dark patterns that every other web experience has turned into… then you, sir, can go to hell

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Good design doesn’t have to be bland, and what does this have to do with dark patterns?

IMO the desktop Steam client as well as the gamescope have some pretty confusing UI. Once you get used to it it’s fine but that’s the case for any shitty UI. Except Gamescope, which is buggy to traverse by controller (which is what it was designed for lol)

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Yeah, dark patterns are NOT good UX, even though unfortunately it’s present everywhere nowdays.

Steam’s UI/UX can be better, more ordered, coherent and standardized. This does not mean that it has to incorporate dark patterns.

Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDY2p1CTkPo&t=1202

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3 points

Sure but bland is often that kind of design often ends up as…

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It makes me feel like it’s still 2011 and I am here for it

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4 points

I like Material Design. It helps unify the experience of android.

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4 points

The UI might fuck but the UX sucks

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Steam is a bastard child of monopoly. They don’t innovate because they barely have any competition.

And to this dya one cant fucking increase font size in Steam. Fuck them, I’m old, the letters are a little to small for me. Even fucking browsers allow for font changes, but not Steam. Fuck them.

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14 points

That’s right, that’s why they worked their asses off improving Linux support, designing new controllers and the steam deck.

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Also a great VR Headset and the runtime used by this and many other VR Headsets. If anyone is actually innovating it’s Valve. Everyone else is mostly trying to catch up to the features Steam provides.

Steam isn’t just the client, it’s also a ton of APIs (steamworks sdk) and services available to developers for integration with Steam, Steam workshop, distribution of updates, cloud save, multiplayer, chat, achievements etc.

No other launcher comes even close in terms of functionality even if the UI isn’t perfect.

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12 points

And they still refuse to let their software be handled properly by the window manager. It’s really annoying.

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6 points

There is a scaling factor for the GUI (by default it checks your monitor’s DPI).

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They don’t innovate because they barely have any competition

You can hate steam all you want, and people fanboying over them can be pretty annoying, but this is, imo, demonstrably false. They’ve pretty consistently been innovating and trying new things, even when they don’t end up working well. They were very early into voice chat, back in the day your options were more or less skype, possibly mumble, and that pleas pretty much it. Relatively easy, integrated voice chat was was innovative. Similarly, being able to to stream your game to friends. I don’t think this feature ever got all that use and it never worked that well for me, but it was really ahead of it’s time imo. The way they handle family sharing has been both unique and consumer friendly, and also they haven’t just sat on it, they’ve improved it. They’ve implemented a way to play local co-op games remotely even. One of the biggest innovations imo has been how they handle being signed in on multiple computers and being able to stream games from one computer to another. Hell, they’ve even innovated with hardware, with the steam link being very ahead of it’s time in that regard. I’m not going to mention proton, steamOS and the deck, someone else surely has or will.

Look, we should never trust a company to be ethical or feel like they’re a friend or one our side or shit like that, but I do appreciate how much new stuff they’ve pushed for over the years

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Shouldn’t Steam client scale with whatever DPI scaling you have set up?

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There are plenty of competitors to Steam. They just suck in comparison.

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This is why they are actually profitable and roll out new features. Because they don’t spend time redesigning old shit every time they have a new design in mind.

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48 points

I thought it was because they made gambling open to minors and took 30% of all game sales

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15 points

Gambling? Don’t give steam credit for EAs hard work!

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15 points

technically tf2 was the first loot box

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CS:GO started it.

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I’m talking about gambling, because you can sell the skins for real money with valve. There’s an expectation of a financial prize.

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Last time I said something similar people down voted my comment all the way lol

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A lot of people are unconditional fans of Steam and Valve but are pretty uneducated. They’ll defend Valve because they brought a lot of good in the community but will ignore all the negatives.

Valve does a great job on this by not responding to allegations and dramas, so people don’t learn the news.

Sorry it happened! Try again in another community and later. Word it correctly :) - you don’t care about « karma » here. Let’s educate more people :)

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there is a thing called shared front-end components, so each time you need to add a button on an interface, you don’t need to recreeate a new one and it looks consistent for the user. And Steam is known for being super slow at rolling out anything.

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Your still have to update tests and implement shared components in the first place.

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57 points

It’s called working software sweaty, you get some design inconsistencies when you focus on creating new stuff led by the development team instead of the human personification of Helvetica

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I always get sweaty when working software.

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9 points

it’s summer, take off the “programming socks”

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6 points

Nah, they’re medically necessary.

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4 points

People in Australia be like

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8 points

Incoporating multiple styles sounds like more work than it’s worth. Can we talk about tech debt?

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Would it really be better to have as few unique bits as possible? I think that it’s great to be able to tell at a glance what part of Steam you’re on. It’s a program with many features. Then again, you can still use Big Picture Mode if you really want to dumb it down.

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Also the things related to one thing are mostly the same like buy and add to cart

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