FYI @rumschlumpel@feddit.org @breadsmasher@lemmy.world @Pfeffy@lemmy.world @superkret@feddit.org @Pending_Jokester@lemmy.world and a few others
A rage bait post they just restored: https://lemmy.world/post/24282976. The initial removal was about rule 3 - no rage baiting. That rule has been removed.
Another rage bait comment against vegans: https://lemmy.world/comment/14535452
Don’t go to communities…
So many people don’t understand people use all. This comm just seems like a reactionary meat centred sub with shit recipe videos and shilling what seems misinformation for meat centred diets. I downvote vegan sub more often and they don’t comb through and ban people for it. Though I’ve downvoted their post less than this carnivore sub recently because at least theirs seems to be focused and decent content.
I think people should put more effort into their subs rather than vote fixing under the guise of banning “drive by downvoters”.
Lemmy seems to have a real hard on for trying to dictate how the downvotes get used. Meanwhile users are creating community to use for their own personal blogs as opposed to, you know, a blog.
Though I’ve downvoted their post less than this carnivore sub recently because at least theirs seems to be focused and decent content.
Yes, and !carnivore@lemm.ee is the meat oriented decent one
If this is power tripping, then shouldn’t meat lovers be justified in brigading vegan communities to blanket downvote posts?
Yes, they would be, see:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/27711002
The consensus is that you should not ban people for downvoting. At the time, vegan posts in that community would be massively downvoted vs upvoted so beaver used some sort of automation to ban everyone who downvoted. That was considered power tripping so beaver was removed and everyone was unbanned. I was thinking that maybe beaver took it too far after reading the comments in the thread I linked. But now I’m unsure, since the consensus has shifted and it is ok to ban people for downvoting when it comes to this carnivore community. Idk.
I found I kept downvoting and getting disgusted by these carnivore communities since they kept showing up in my feed, so I blocked them. Votes don’t matter as much in lemmy as they did in reddit, but they are public which has always given me the ick.
Well, votes not mattering isn’t totally correct, as some communities use the tool that auto-bans anyone who gets enough downvotes over the last month, so you can use brigading to get those people banned from communities they might visit.
TIL.
I’m actually surprised that it’s possible to ban people for blanket downvoting, e.g. I don’t think mods of reddit communities would be able to do that.
Yeah the carnivore communities suck 🤮 They kept popping in my /all feed so I blocked them. The rage bait post is particularly nauseating to me. They don’t see animals as having the same sentience as vegans view they have, it is incredibly disheartening. These communities are going to be controversial, you either think it is wrong to abuse/rape/kill an animal for consumption or you don’t.
That’s why the vegan instances are great, you won’t see this shit ever. You’re free to talk about veganism without someone coming in to troll. The carnivore diet is just a diet, one that is harmful IMO, but veganism is so much more than a plant based diet. I still come across comments making fun of instances that require content warnings for meat, dairy, and eggs. They just don’t get it and I’m tired of trying to reason with unreasonable people.
I don’t expect .world to do anything about them. I’m actually surprised people seem to be on the mod’s side here, they certainly weren’t when beaver banned people for downvoting.
I think this can be a place to post the most daft stuff vegans say, ideally with links.
I will start with
“Cows, pigs, sheeps, etc. are raped (no consent) and sexually assaulted (against their will) for dairy, meat, wool…”
https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/15551150
🤣🤣🤣
No they don’t, even the linked thread had Felix (who was the mod of the carnivore community linked) making fun of vegans for being against this. You think Felix is an isolated incident? Because they are not, I’ve heard the same sentiments expressed by many people both online and IRL. If everyone supposedly opposes this, then why haven’t animal agriculture practices changed?
In that thread, someone else said:
That’s okay. There are many people who only know their food as a bite-sized anonymous mass from the supermarket. who think that cows just give milk all the time. They don’t know how piglets are bred. That you can walk into any barn and see unfathomable suffering in every corner. Who have never heard of forceful impregnation, confinement crates, premature separation, tail docking, mulesing, torture breeding, teeth clipping, CO2 chambers, castration, steroid growth, veal crates, tethering, weaning rings, induced moulting, sheep dipping… and we haven’t even started on the illegal cruelties.
In this state of blissful ignorance, you might regard someone who associates eating a steak with rape as crazy.
I used to be like this too. And to be honest, there are times when I wish I could return to it and just dismiss vegans with a downvote as exaggerating and annoying.
Surely if everyone thought that abusing animals was wrong, all the companies selling animal products that resulted from said abuse would be gone. But people don’t actually care and just buy whatever from the store, directly supporting the abuse. People may “oppose” it theoretically but in practice don’t. Even the US government “solved” the problem by making it a crime to film what is actually happening in those places (ag-gag laws) since businesses were losing profit when their cruel practices were exposed.
But I know I am wasting my time with you in particular, you spout nonstop carnist apologia. You insist there is 0 suffering during animal agriculture and that veganism doesn’t help animals - not even in a supply and demand way. There isn’t a way to actually talk to you about this or veganism in general because we will go around in circles accomplishing nothing. I am vegan, you are incredibly carnist. So, please disengage so I can move on with my day.
please disengage so I can move on with my day.
Lemmy supports blocking users
The bait post does read like a 9 year old just learned the words pipi, caca, boudin or something.
I might not have all the numbers because it’s a remote community (to me) and it seems the bans and some of these downvotes might not all have federated to us, maybe from a lack of SJW subscribers at some point in time.
Those I can see have single digits total votes, so that wouldn’t really meet my ban threshold even for a small community.
I do ban mass-downvoters now and then on SJW. At some point, if your only interaction with a community is repeatedly, exclusively downvoting stuff, either learn to curate your feed or GTFO, but I do have a much higher bar than this.
