As you may know, I moved to using my blahaj.zone account almost exclusively, as I kinda disliked the vibe I was getting from .world. At the same time, I also want to gage the feelings people have about the migration. Will you continue to use 196 on lemmy.world? Are you happy with the change? I want to hear from you:
Very unhappy with the change, I probably won’t go to the .world community and expect/hope that someone will just recreate 196 on Blåhaj.
Every interaction I’ve had with .world mods has rubbed me the wrong way, they don’t take criticism well and are way to keen to appeal to centrist bullshit and shitty lib takes. Blåhaj is my favourite space on the internet at the moment because of the way Ada manages things, I feel safe here. That the 196 mods have a problem with that sends a pretty concerning message imo.
yep. the only thing i would add is that theres already too much content on .world. we need to spread content out horizontally instead of just centralizing it on the biggest instance.
I feel like im missing something here; i though 196 was already part of blahaj.zone? Is this more drama from pug?
Oh fuck all of this nonsense. They can try to build their own 196 (with blackjack and hookers) elsewhere if they want, why tf are they being allowed to tank the existing 196!?
All/most of the mods seemed onboard with it, so the community would need to find new mods if it were to remain open. I would be willing to help mod such a com, but I’m not willing to spearhead it. I don’t want to stretch myself thin.
My guess is that the 196 mods decided to do this because they have lemmy.world friends who got banned from blahaj.zone. There has been a growing disconnect between some frequent posters of 196, and the rest of the community. They post good stuff and might even contribute a majority of the content on some days, but they also have edgier sensibilities and higher tolerances for bullshit. This situation doesn’t seem ideological to the mods because their motivation is personal. However, personal relationships play a larger role in our beliefs than most people think.
The mistake the mods made was assuming the queer culture of 196 would transfer over to .world. I highly doubt this will happen after folks got used to blahaj.zone for over a year. Many queer users won’t like the new 196, and as new users join, blahaj.zone users will leave. Given the reactions here, I doubt they can do much now to stop that from happening.
My guess is that the 196 mods decided to do this because they have lemmy.world friends who got banned from blahaj.zone. There has been a growing disconnect between some frequent posters of 196, and the rest of the community. They post good stuff and might even contribute a majority of the content on some days, but they also have edgier sensibilities and higher tolerances for bullshit. This situation doesn’t seem ideological to the mods because their motivation is personal. However, personal relationships play a larger role in our beliefs than most people think.
Interesting theory
If the community stays the same, I don’t see the harm. The community of 196 has always been a mix of folks from various instances, I don’t think its host instance matters all that much comparatively.
I wish it didn’t have to come to this, but I can’t fault the mods for using the fediverse for what it was made for.
I do wish it was a different instance. Having all the big communities in one instance is concerning. I guess they weren’t willing to put in the effort to go anywhere else.
On top of that, lemmy.world has a bit of a reputation as less queer friendly, as it tries to accommodate for more conservative techies. I’ve personally run into an awful lot of respectability centrists who refuse to listen to the concerns of minorities. They think we’re overreacting, and that’s very upsetting because it comes off as gaslighting. Many of them are just in denial about the state of the world; unwilling to challenge their own perception of the world as a just place.
Way too many people subscribe to the idea of “if I don’t hear about it then it isn’t happening.” No, bitch, it’s happening, and it’s a hell of a lot worse than you think. It’s the only way I can imagine that people truly, unironically believe that LGBT people, especially trans people, are just “overreacting”.
Or to put it another way, they’re the kinda people who’d unironically believe that a tree doesn’t make a sound when it falls in the forest, and then get pissed off when a physicist tells them that the tree makes a sound no matter what.
We believe what we see. I guess I could be described as one of those liberal techies, and I’m a white cis hetero dude from a middle class background.
We are all monkeys after all, and if you see all monkeys around you being like you and doing okay, you subconsciously apply that to the whole world. Even if you know, on a rational level, that it’s wrong.
yesyesyes, that is not a very decentralized move on their part. at this point we are making just another reddit but open. which is better, but not as cool as it could be.
:o
imagine how cool it’d be if all major instances have their own comfy cool popular communities and they just like - interact with one another!!! :ooooo
literally the goal behind fediverse kinda <3
On top of that, lemmy.world has a bit of a reputation as less queer friendly, as it tries to accommodate for more conservative techies. I’ve personally run into an awful lot of respectability centrists who refuse to listen to the concerns of minorities. They think we’re overreacting, and that’s very upsetting because it comes off as gaslighting. Many of them are just in denial about the state of the world; unwilling to challenge their own perception of the world as a just place.
1000% my experience
I don’t get .world posts in my feed and will miss 196, but my internet quality of life has improved overall.
i left .world because of their shitty admins and the problems they cause smaller instances. the moderation leaves much to be desired, they have shitty takes, they do whatever they feel like and i dont trust them any more than i trust a site like reddit.
as for 196, i liked the memes, i didnt really interact with the space much as it already felt less “blahaj zone” than the rest of the comms i interact with, so with them moving to .world, i doubt it will get better, and i doubt i will ever want to interact with that comm anymore. it was kinda shitty to not include the community whatsoever, but that kind of behavior is the exact kind i expect from .world mods so i guess they will fit right in.
very much agreed. 196 felt like the odd one out on the plaza of popular communities in general, being on comfy cozy blahaj zone.
whatcha think of special version of 196 for blahaj frens? i saw some peeps here suggesting it and i rllli like the idea!
imagine: u look at post and it makes sense and u go “ah yes, this was made be a genuine human, not a possibly selfish, queerphobic capitalist” and then u add emoticons like [“<3”, “>v<”, “~ ~ ~”] to ur comment to make it extra special.
i like that idea…
i wont participate in the .world 196, and i feel like i will miss the memes over there, so having something like that here would be cool, but i think we should try to make it somewhat distinct, call it 197 or something idk, i would be willing to help mod if we had a decent team, providing a space for my cool nerdy and cute trans fedi friends is something im all about, and wish i could do more of.
Something about 196 being on a non-queer instance feels wrong. I can’t explain it. Maybe it’s because there are a lot of queer-positive posts on 196? Not sure. Meh, whatever. I think I have a vague idea of why they’re moving away and quite honestly, if they want to bend to people wanting to stir shit, then maybe we’re better off without them.
(Iirc the gist of it is that there was a troll who claimed to be “dragon gender” or something (which included that drag’s pronouns were “drag”). Drag said a lot of nasty shit, stirred up drama, etc. People decided that was a good excuse to misgender drag and become the arbiters of what a “proper gender” is. People misgendering drag got banned, then got pissy and cried about it. In the meantime, drag was also banned at that point, it was mainly people stirring shit at that point. I’m pretty sure 196 is moving away from blähaj.zone because afaik Ada takes a zero tolerance stance on intentionally misgendering people; regardless of whether or not someone’s a troll.)
Quite honestly I’m kinda at the point where I’m considering quitting Lemmy entirely. Between the drama, doomposting, trolls and increase in general dickishness, it’s honestly getting really bad for my mental health.
Regarding 196: has it been different on Lemmy vs how it was on reddit? I’m on beehaw so I don’t see .world posts or communities, but at least on reddit I saw a bunch of edgy shit being posted when I still used the site a few years back
Regarding Dragon rider: drag uses drag/drag pronouns iirc and has expressed previously that they/them pronouns aren’t suitable for drag, so you may want to edit your wording just a tad. Still haven’t been able to figure out if drag is a troll or not, but as you say even if drag is a troll drag still has a right to identity. If Ada’s brilliant stance is why 196 moved, good riddance IMHO
Regarding your mental health: perhaps its worth blocking the communities or users that are bringing the majority of the drama/doomposting/etc? I absolutely empathise with the drain on mental health that can be, and I’ve been very very liberal with the block feature for exactly that reason. Its totally worthwhile to curate the space you inhabit online. I hope, whatever path forward you take, that you’re able to find yourself feeling better and better.
Regarding 196:
Dunno, didn’t really use it on reddit tbh. That’s why I associate it strongly with blahaj.zone.
Regarding Dragon rider:
Sigh You’re right, I fixed it. In my defense, I was actually trying to avoid directly referencing drag and drag’s pronouns not because I think drag is invalid but because I didn’t want to distract from the fact that people were intentionally misgendering drag because they believed drag’s gender/pronouns were invalid and that drag’s dickish behavior excused them from having to use drag’s pronouns. I was concerned that using drag’s neopronouns would cause people to have a knee-jerk reaction, which was why I was referring to drag as “the troll”.
Regarding your mental health:
Honestly, that’d kinda kill half the reason I use Lemmy: as a news aggregate. Furthermore, people here have too much time on their hands and find drama wherever they can. I used to think blåhaj.zone would be fairly free from drama in a generally leftist space; after all leftists should understand that queer instances and communities are generally best left to queer people, right? Yet that hasn’t stopped people from trying to start drama regarding the main queer instance.
Mm, totally see what you were going for with the pronouns. I think as soon as you mentioned “dragon” the ship had likely sailed for most of “suspension of knowledge of the individual in question”
I understand the dilemma regarding reducing the amount/variety of content you are served :/ to be honest, this is one of the main reasons I enjoy Beehaw so much, I used to be on a different instance and moved here because they federate with mostly high quality instances and the local content is of very high standard. The mods are also very good with cleaning up harmful or unsuitable content/posts/comments/users whilst not (to my mind) silencing differing opinions (when the opinions in question are not the aforementioned harmful content). I get my news feed, with much less… Mental drain
Wait, this is over friggen redacted by Cracks???
my head hurts.
Edit: Not sure it’s wise or fair to call out the user specifically at this stage, so I removed that. If you read Mossy’s comment and have been on 196 for any amount of time, you’ll know. And it would be more about reactions to them, anyway.
hey there, just weighing in. Neopronouns were not a factor in our decision. In addition, malicious misgendering has always been something that constitutes a removal or ban. this choice was in no way and attempt to reduce the queerness of 196
Random opinion: It would be wise to edit the post in LBZ 196, or make a new pinned comment, describing the rationale re: differences in moderation approaches more directly (at minimum, see the thread).
People are jumping right to other, less nuanced takes of the situation. I did too before digging deeper - the disagreements are subtler than what folks think they are right now.
I still think you and your team are making a mistake overall, but that’s beside the point. As you obviously know, people are pissed and the vague description doesn’t help at all.
Do with this as you will. Sincerely, best of luck - this is probably a rough time for you folks too, and I know you’re just people doing what you think is best.
Would you perhaps like to expand on that? Right now it appears hot on the tail of the dragon drama, which, considering from what I saw the majority of it revolved around people trying to misgender drag or ridicule drag’s identity, leads me to the conclusion that you didn’t like how Ada handled it and implies you yourselves believe that it’s alright to misgender someone if you believe their gender is just another troll.
