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And it’s 70 for almost 10 years in Italy!

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That’s pretty f*cked up. Sure, there are some jobs where you can make a decent contribution at that age – historian? librarian? sure, why not. But please don’t force bus drivers to keep working until that age

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In Italy there are classes of jobs that still allow to go earlier. It’s not flat.

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hey no fair. you’re comparing a fascist shit hole

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It’s way before this government. It’s just that to pay pensions you need people. And there are few compared to the old ones.

So or get the pension or retire earlier without money 😒

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73 for me in the US! I’ll likely be dead before I get to see retirement…

I should note, that’s tge projected date for my retirement plan. The “official” age is still 65…

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You work work work and when you finally can enjoy your life, you’re old. Brilliant system.

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With your permission…

You work work work to barely afford necessities like shelter and food and when you finally can enjoy your life, you’re old. Brilliant system.

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You work work work to barely afford necessities like shelter and food and when you finally can enjoy your life, you’re old and still can’t afford shit. Brilliant system.

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They’re so right, if only I had worked more 🥴

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My mum has just been diagnosed with terminal cancer aged 61. I know people lose their parents much earlier, but I am furious that she worked so hard her entire life just to die before she reached retirement.

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My condolences. Hugs. I hope she’s not in pain D:

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You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt. St. Peter, don’t you call me, 'cuz I can’t go. I owe my soul to the company store.

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I really fucking hope we can muster up at least 2 more terms of democratic majority in the US as my ass creeps toward taking “early” retirement at 62. Republicans have a hard on for stripping every social program, and Social Security is the most socialist thing they want to strip and give to the War Machine.

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It’s pretty unlikely to get two more terms of a democratic presidency. Biden wasn’t VP when he won. The last VP to be elected was Bush 1. Before him, LBJ, special circumstances. Truman, also special circumstances. That takes us back nearly 100 years.

Maybe if Kamala were to step aside we could get a governor as the nominee, but that seems unlikely even though governors have better records in presidential elections. Biden didn’t run when he was VP, but I don’t remember another VP that stepped away from the ticket voluntarily.

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Yeah I know, they have a habit of pissing away any advantage…system is working as intended.

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Just because something is worse somewhere else doesn’t mean you should be happy when things only get slightly worse where you are. They are angry because not only they are historically againt pension reforms, and the way the government forced through the bill by bypassing parliament in a legal method, but one that shows they are really just forcing this down despite popular opinion being very, very against it.

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This.

“Someone else has it worse” is the cry of someone who wants you to have it worse, too. It’s just promoting a race to the bottom.

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it’s easy to just yell “hippie” at someone with healthy boundaries they feel threatened by.

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We’ve been producing more and more year after year, the working hours have practically not changed in 50 years. And somehow we have no money to put in any social platform and we have had austerity measures for decades at this point. And now we have to work for longer. All the while billionaires exist and are getting richer by the second, yet a lot of people struggle to eat or retire decently.

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The world population has also exploded over the last 50 years, which is something nobody takes into account.

1973 - 3.92 billion people 2023 - 8 billion people

For 1968, so 65 years ago, when people at retirement age today were born, the population was 2.9 billion people. So from birth to retirement, a freshly retired person today has seen 5 billion more people get added to the world.

With increasing population you need more resources to fund social platforms. We have been producing more and more but we have also consumed more and more. Not just food, but planned obsolesence for things like phones and washing machines and whatever else has guaranteed that there will always be a need to consume, therefore a need to produce - hence the working hours staying the same while productivity increases.

But, with increased production and consumption you stimulate the economy, so you get growth. In theory. The fact that that growth gets hoarded by the dragons you also mentioned is an unfortunate phenomenon.

But I digress. My point was that increased productivity is not the only variable at play here.

I still don’t agree with the increased pension age, though.

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