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A post about sex determination that seems relevant.

https://beehaw.org/post/15996092

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Crazy complexity and that picture is just about the genitals

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After the Executive Order Defending Women from gender ideology extremism…, it’s much simpler now (in the US)

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Did you make that? That’s genius I’m sharing that.

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I can’t seem to find a good quality version of this image. Any leads?

Edit: oh. My internet was just sucking and it did not resolve.

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Jfc this is going to affect intersex people more than trans people.

We were just at the cusp of addressing how fucked up fitting intersex people into one of two boxes is.

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Ok.

He’s wrong and we’ll all just ignore him and continue existing.

Medical science will continue showing that sex isn’t and never has been a binary either.

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Problem is this means that things we were hoping to get like having hormone replacement therapy actually approved by the FDA for use for transgender care will not happen and any enforcement of anti-discrimination or laws against hate speech at the federal level will no longer apply to trans and non-binary people. This will allow, for example, insurance companies to not have to cover transgender care. There is already a huge waiting list for people who are seeking care in the US due to the lack of specialists (myself included), so that list is likely to get longer. And likely any doctors who might have been planning to take up transgender care specialties may have their programs lose their funding. It’s a huge impact to a lot of areas of government and many industries to have the federal government not recognize transgender care as valid and not recognize non-binary people like me as people at all.

Also, I’m fortunate enough to live in a state that is friendly to transgender and non-binary people, but my employer is not based here, so the insurance I have doesn’t have to obey local laws that don’t allow for blanket policies banning coverage of transgender care. So, the federal laws do matter.

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Thank you for the correction and expansion.

Hoping people will start making their own hormones etc. I understand the rest is shit though and I hope we can all start looking after each other instead.

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If they could read they’d have some strong feelings about this reality

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The ability to read or not does not have anything to do with how much knowledge one can acquire, there are many ways to acquire knowledge.

Don’t be ableist and harm people that don’t deserve it please.

These people are just willfully ignorant fascists who think they can control reality

No need to ascribe any other features onto them that don’t and won’t harm them but will harm others.

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It’s a reference to a joke from King of the Hill.

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Doesn’t stop politicians from trying

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I always find it weird that conservatives think this is some kind of gotcha for binary trans people. Like, okay, this is a shitty thing to say to nonbinary or intersex people and is both untrue and cruel. But how is this relevant to me, a binary trans woman?

Like… hello my gender isn’t ‘trans’, it’s ‘woman’. Idiots.

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First they came for the enbies

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In fairness part of the decree is that it also can’t be changed, so definitely still an impact to both binary and nonbinary trans folks. Also love the downplay of enby impacts, if it doesn’t impact you it doesn’t matter?

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Read my post before you reply to it. Thanks.

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They did and you’re being unnecessarily rude.

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How does your post contradict what they said? You asked how it impacts a binary trans person, and they explained that the part about it being unchangeable is supposed to target y’all (and all trans people).

I know a lot of us, probably most of us, haven’t changed so much as taken ownership of who we always were. So yeah I guess technically this order isn’t a “gotcha”, but unfortunately that’s not how transphobes see it. :(

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And even then, it goes beyond gender. Even the idea that you can’t change your sex is laughable. “Sex,” despite what some TERFs insist, is not traditionally or in practice today determined by DNA. We’ve learned that chromosomes play a primary factor in determining sex, but your sex isn’t your DNA. A blueprint isn’t a house; a house is a house. The blueprint just tells you how to build a house.

Physical sex is really about primary and secondary sex characteristics. If a trans woman undergoes SRS for example, her sex is literally female. She has the same anatomy as an infertile woman, or woman whose had a hysterectomy.

And this is the traditional way of defining sex. We referred to people’s “sex” for generations prior to discovering DNA. And even today, we sex infants entirely based on their genitalia. Actual genetic screening is incredibly rare.

Bigots just latch onto “sex==genetics” because it allows them an easy cudgel. But in reality, if your primary and secondary sex characteristics are of a certain sex, you are that sex. Does the initial cellular blueprint indicate a different sex? Assuming you’re not intersex, sure. But again, DNA is just a blueprint.

The example I always like is the house/boat example. Imagine you owned a wooden boat. That boat was made by a particularly prideful boat builder, and every plank of the boat is stamped, “Smith’s shipbuilding co.” One day you get tired of sailing the waves, so you take your boat, disassemble it, and use the planks to build a house. You now live in a house where every board is stamped “Smith’s shipbuilding co.”

Imagine the absurdity of someone coming to your home and telling you, “you live in a boat! Every board clearly labels this building as a boat. Therefore, you must live in a boat.”

That is the fallacy of relying on genetics to define sex. Chromosomes are just the initial blueprints or the equivalent of the “Smith shipbuilding co.” stamp.

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From the article:

The definition of male and female will be based on whether people are born with eggs or sperm, rather than on their chromosomes.

What did you say your gender was?

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Well nobody is born with sperm so…

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There are no males.

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How do they confirm that? Surgery?

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It’s only shitty to intersex people, non-binary is a gender not a sex.

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He’s probably going to sign an order to make everyone be nice to him next.

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Yes, unironically.

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The “respect my authorta” bill

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