I saw it from the monster hunter community, now you can’t post the source of a fanart lol.
Here on Lemmy, people who claim to advocate for freedom of speech and information, demanding for information shared on social networks to be controlled, shutdown and people to be censored based on unknown and ambiguous criteria, without even understanding the implications of it.
Details at six
Existence of mods goes against the concept of freedom of speech. People aren’t prevented from directly using Twitter themselves. They’d be on 4chan if they wanted something as close to an unfiltered internet.
We wouldn’t be on our respective instances that have blocked off entire instances and communities if we wanted to consume unfiltered internet content.
Not to worry, you’re simply confusing freedom of speech with obliging private actors to consume content they don’t want to consume or disagree with. The first is a fundemental principle of democratic legal systems and recognized as a perempotry norm under international law. The second is authoritarianism.
There’s a growing number of legally illiterate people who think freedom of speech is absolute and even affords one the right to oblige others consume their speech through the government. That is fundamentally wrong and a complete misunderstanding of how these key principles of freedom work and have always worked in modern democratic systems.
Newsflash - freedom of speech is not absolute. Never has been. There are very specific, explicitly codified limitations. Why? Because words are the most powerful weapons and can be used to target and threaten the freedoms of other people, including their freedom to life. Which is why rights and obligations are always balanced against each other, following the principle of proportionality.
If you feel so strongly about not being able force others to consume content they don’t want to consume, then I have bad news for you - you are opposing democracy. But it seems like you, and many other like you, are just confused, rather than actively promoting anti-democratic standpoints. The truly sad part? The impact is the same regardless of intent.
Edit: Want to know more? Details at 6.
It’s so typical to see 90% good argument and 10% insult the OP & half the country. If believers stuck to the 90% good argument and left out the insults you’d win a lot of followers.
Look, I’m all for freedom of speech. I’m nearly as close to an absolutist as they come.
This is an example of a protest. Nobody is restricting anybody’s speech. They aren’t banning Musk-supporters. They aren’t censoring Trumpers. They are specifically banning links to a website owned by a billionaire who did a Nazi salute at an event where hundreds of millions if not billions of people would witness him.
Downvotes are not a form of censorship.
Also, that sounds like a you problem, not an “us” problem.
I know downvotes aren’t censorship. Not really, I saw the change happen in real time. I was on Twitter before it was run by Feds.
What does freedom of speech have to do with independent subreddits deciding they don’t want to serve content from a private company they don’t agree with?
That’s easy, freedom of speech means you can say what I want but not what you want, and it applies everywhere including in my dreams. So if you say something I don’t like in my dreams I can criminally charge you and take you to hell in a cell.
Edit: Thought this would be obvious satire, but here we are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A more fractured internet is coming. Posting sources will be forbidden. Discourse will become more polarized, disconnected, and extreme.
Most of these Reddit bans on Twitter are also half assed. They still allow screenshots of Twitter posts. That means the content is still spread, and Twitter remains relevant.
Lots of these subreddits don’t even get a lot of Twitter links in the first place. Like for lotrmemes it makes zero difference.
That said, Musk and Twitter suck. I have deleted my Twitter account three years ago.
However there still is some information, where Twitter is a good source.
Most of these Reddit bans on Twitter are also half assed. They still allow screenshots of Twitter posts. That means the content is still spread, and Twitter remains relevant.
I wholeheartedly agree. I personally got fed up trying to make a new account recently where I got shadowbanned, where there’s accounts that steal posts from the past and repost them as new just to farm karma and they stay up despite bots detecting them as spam/reposts.
My point is if they’re looking to enforce something they should not do it in a half-assed way.
However there still is some information, where Twitter is a good source.
I agree. There are some great OSINT posters that share all sorts of information you won’t find anywhere else. For example when Israel struck back at Iran after the initial wave of missiles and drones- it was a guy on twitter who geolocated and found the satellite images of what they hit.
And that information directly contradicted the Israeli official narrative. You won’t find it on NY Times. You won’t find it on Washington Post. Hell, you’d have a hard time finding it here or on reddit. That’s just one example, there’s a wealth of live data about Russia v Ukraine as well. One thing I’ve really learned the last 3 years since 2022 is that the mainstream media will completely lie to you. It isn’t just bias, it’s outright lying. So people online who are dedicated to the truth and provide receipts, I find, is a breath of fresh air. It allows humans without privileged information to go online and actually see with their own eyes what is happening on the ground. It’s something that frankly hasn’t been the case for any time in human history. Although I think it’s going to be a short window of time that will be true.
I think Twitter has progressively been becoming more censored. For now, most people are more or less ignored if you aren’t talking about the hot topics- but I think very soon anything against official US narrative will be banned. Same thing with Facebook, Tiktok, etc.
We’re seeing the social media sites align themselves with the US government in preparation for the next global war. The first thing to go in war is the truth. Soon there will be a giant firewall and we won’t be able to see content from overseas. Initially people will be able to use VPNs and other methods and then eventually that will be met with criminal charges.
mainstream media will completely lie to you
Mainstream media doesn’t care to research thoroughly and rarely have journalists who actually understand the topic they’re reporting on. It’s not lies, just superficial sloppy work mostly.
Journalists rarely dig through OSINT themselves. They will ask an Possibly biased expert who actually reads and is able to interpret OSINT. Then the journalist will only understand half and misunderstand another part. The cite some quotes from the expert that then make for an article with a clickbaity headline. Only if you‘re very lucky the journalist will review the OST themselves or even show the source directly in their reporting. It’s surprisingly rare that journalists speak the language of the country they’re reporting about.
Not all is great with OSINT, as it’s full of selection bias, rumors, unconfirmed information, and people with agendas.
I feels like bizarro world if you fall somewhere in the middle of the political spectrum or don’t really care about politics. Seems their are only two extremes and you have to drink the cool-aid of whatever site you’re on or be suppressed. Whether you agree or disagree the push to ban twitter/x from all the sports subs was definitely a coordinated operation. Very troubling to me to see this kind of mass manipulation going on… these sports subs should have nothing to do with politics but maybe I’m the delusional one. I don’t know.
That’s how protests work. Just because you are not affected, does not mean you should not participate. Any subreddit participating is probably trying to show they are anti-nazi, and/or they support the efforts of the others in the platform.
Of course it causes trouble for users, but sadly that’s what Twitter has become and it deserves this hate. None of this would have happened if Elon truly advocated for freedom of speech, instead of using his power to push his right-wing beliefs.
I am proud that there are still some mods in Reddit that take the risk of protesting. I was afraid they got removed on the previous Reddit protest, about pricing changes.
Adding to that, not caring about politics probably means going with the flow and not reacting. Which, in today’s capitalist world, usually means supporting big corporations by using their services, just because everyone else use them.
If you are implying that the ignorant or unwilling should be forced participants in a protest, I would strongly disagree with that statement. I also am seeing a lot of rhetoric that not participating or simply not agreeing with a ban implies you are either a supporter of musk or Nazism… This sort of line in the sand statements are counterproductive, inflammatory, divisive and frankly ignorant.
There is no risk on reddit with such a protest considering the political lean. I don’t use twitter because I personally I hate the way conversations and ‘information’ is structured as well as the content. I don’t also don’t have an issue with subs/admins or even the whole platform banning twitter. What I do have are serious concerns about the mechanisms behind the ban and the further echo chambering of the site. To me, it’s better to have non quality info/sources available and downvote it than to just ban it.
If we like it or not, twitter is still the most important social network for journalisst and thinktankers.
Twitter has always been the red headed step child of social media. It had outsized cultural importance because most people consumed it via screenshot, not actually browsing the site. The reach of an individual twitter user is greatly augmented by their reach on other social platforms via screenshot
Lemmy instances should follow suit.
In before reddit forces those subs to allow links to twitter.
