It’s impressive how hard these people lick boots.
Good fucking luck with that hurdle.
They need a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate; or a conventio called by Congress at the request of two-thirds of the state legislatures. Then it has to be ratified by the legislatures of three-quarters of the states.
Even if they managed a super majority on both sides of Congress for Trumplefuck, there’s no way they’re getting 38 States to agree to that.
It’s sad that you guys still think the rule of the constitution is some massive roadblock that they’ve somehow missed. They literally made an Executive Order that just says “No” to the very first sentence of the 14th amendment, do you think none of them noticed? They get to have a vote about ludicrous things, and they get to gleefully destroy the lives of any Republican who dares vote against them. Maybe it gets struck down for the time being? Who cares, the courts are packed, they can realistically just start killing people pretty soon and it’ll start with the disloyals and the true believers as needed as it always does.
You cannot logical trap nor get off on technicalities fascists. It does not matter to them, they will just do what they want anyways, all that matters is if they can crush anyone who tries to stop them.
They are pushing the boundaries of the conversation and they are testing the waters, and every time they’re pushed back on they use the limp push back to consolidate more power because nobody has been willing to actually stop them.
With all due respect, that is some real defeatist dog shit. Yes, Trump and cronies have no respect for the constitution or the rule of law. But if we collectively roll over at the first fascist executive order, that’s exactly what they want us to do… They are testing the waters. The supreme court is packed, but every circuit court in the country certainly isn’t. And that’s where these battles are already being fought. We need to collectively resist every encroachment, every power grab. Otherwise we’re nearly as culpable as Trump for the rise of fascism.
If you aren’t willing to kill them then they will inch forward until they win. That is why civil wars have existed.
There are only two tried and true methods I am aware of to stop fascists:
- Killing them
- Making them kill themselves
I’m going to enjoy seeing this comment get removed. I’ll think about it as I’m put on the train to the death camp.
I think the logic is sound… If anyone is allowed to introduce legislation against established reforms infinitely many times, you get gish galloped to death and they will eventually get their way no matter how terrible the idea is. Because it’s a deep ideology, you must get rid of the person to get rid of the idea.
Trump is the candidate during next election
Red States let him be an option even though they shouldn’t
He wins enough red States to have a majority
They name him president even though it’s against the Constitution
The supreme Court is packed with his picks so they don’t do anything about it
Tada! Civil war? Dissolution of the USA? Who knows!?!
This.
We need to stop acting like the norms matter at all, like the rules still apply. We must treat this like what it is: a threat to our very survival.
The US government, at least the parts that actually could do something about this, are on the brink of total collapse or dismantlement. I hate to say it but I think the time for peaceful resistance is long since past, i don’t see any way this is going to end without bloodshed
Trump is ruling by executive order and no one is stopping him from doing any of it, constitutional or not.
He’ll just issue an executive order to lower the threshold and at best that order gets challenged and goes to the SCOTUS, and we all know what will happen there.
The only effective short-term roadblocks are going to be legal challenges, like the ones WA’s governor and AG have been preparing for. You’re right that this only works until it gets overturned by SCOTUS, and it doubly hurts progressives because we now have to spend resources (time and money) fighting nonsense instead of fighting for causes we want…like some goddamn healthcare.
Delay. Deny. Depose.
There’s already an injunction against one of his orders. I’m sure more will come.
The Night of the Long Knives would like to have a word with you
It’s cute how so many in the comments think the legal checks will prevent this. They don’t care about the law or the Constitution in the same way they don’t care about optics, hypocrisy, decorum, or process. People keep viewing this through the lense of American democracy. None of that matters to fascists.
They care about the law the same way the nazi’s cared about the law until the night of the long knives. I suspect their mass deportation plan is really them gearing up for the night of the long knives 2.0.
Night of broken glass comes first.
Wait for them to loot and pillage “immigrant” owned businesses.
After four years of them being in power, he’ll probably just be able to…not leave, regardless of any election. Who would stop him?
In the end, the country isn’t a democracy. It’s a complicated system with complicated interactions.
It’s really not impossible that a democracy turns into fascism.
Thought about that regarding the current events in Germany. If people democratically vote for fascism, that’s still a democratic vote. Only the outcome might be less democratic (or not at all) but at least once people choose this path willingly, following democratic rules.
At the end it’s perfectly legal to do this. The question is more if it’s good or bad. It maybe even stupid. But here we are.
But then we would not be a democracy and being a democracy is written into the constitution.
I can’t like this comment enough!!! When will we learn they DON’T PLAY BY THE RULES. If the magats want this to pass, they will manipulate, intimidate, bend, or break the rules to do it. This is how coups happen. They don’t sit down and ask nicely, they just DO IT and back it up with military force if they have to.
“It is imperative that we provide President Trump with every resource necessary to correct the disastrous course set by the Biden administration,” Ogles said in a statement
so Biden created a bad situation for him in 4 years, yet he thinks Trump needs 8 years to undo it. Sounds like a skill issue to me.
In order for it to pass, they need 290 votes in the House. The Republicans currently have 220 votes, so they would need 70 Democrats to flip.
Then it goes to the Senate where they need 67 votes. First, 60 to get past the inevitable filibuster, and with 53 votes, Republicans need 7 Democrats to flip to move it forward and 14 to pass it.
Then, the fun part, they need 38 states to ratify it. Trump did win 31 states, so he would still need 7 Harris states to ratify an amendment.
Nah.
They’re just gonna say “whachu gonna do about it” as he sits in the office for the third time. Or the richest men in the world backing the regime will just bri lobby.
Don’t forget, he’ll sit in his office with his private army of proud boys surrounding him after he pre pardons them for shooting anyone who dares approach their precious leader.
This thread is reminding me of the movie Civil War that I watched recently
