I use PayPal to be the middle man to protect my credit card information when I purchase items online.

Of course I have grown less fond of PayPal and their scammy behavior (plus the password limit is 20, wtf?)

My question; is there an alternative to paypal to buy things online (without crypto as not all stores take such things), such as privacy.com (but for Europe).

Correct mw if im wrong, but I believe privacy.com is for US, Canada region.

My bank doesn’t offer virtual credit cards sadly.

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I still hope GNU taler will be more widely used. It’s basically everything you are looking for.

GNU Taler

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That looks cool but the issue would be getting merchants to implement it

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Yes I think that’s the biggest issue and currently also the focus of a project called NGI Taler. Let’s see what comes out. Fingers crossed as this would be great for everyone.

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Has Taler moved beyond proof of concept yet?

It’s an amazing concept btw. I read through their paper presented to the European banking system, it was interesting.

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Looks great

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Was going to say monero but you excluded crypto which is your best shot.

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Monero

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I’ve used wise.com for this sort of thing for many years (since they used to be called transferwise). Can spin up as many virtual visa cards as you need (I think it’s max 10 active at once). I also have a physical debit card with them which will do conversions at foreign points of sale from my local currency using the mid market rate and fees much lower than visa/master. Never had an issue with them, though this is more a sort of obfuscation rather than privacy

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Just recently jumped ship from Revolut to Wise, because the former does not support de-googled android anymore. I love the fact that Wise can be fully managed through the web app.

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Planning a trip to Japan soon and would like a credit card to pay for accommodation (I don’t have a credit card yet). Wise seems to be what I want but I’m not sure:

  1. Can you top up your Wise balance from your local bank account for free?
  2. Are conversion fees and ATM withdrawal fees abroad reasonable?
  3. Is their human support any good?
  4. How intrusive was the sign up and KYC?
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I’d recommend searching about their fees this because it’s going to vary a bit based on your local currency. Their documentation on the topic is easy to read and answers your first two questions better than I could put it.

I’ve rarely had to interact with support so I couldn’t give a useful response about that in earnest. They do have local support in the two major countries in which I’ve interacted with them and it’s been fine.

The KYC process is standard for a digital money account AFAIK. I signed up in 2017 originally to handle a one-off transfer between local bank accounts in different countries, so I’d not have bothered investing much time in it if it was a hassle. I haven’t had to re-identify myself or think about it since, despite migrating across several countries, starting to use the physical card etc. I imagine I gave them my government ID though.

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My bank doesn’t offer virtual credit cards sadly.

If you’re just looking for virtual cards, could you just apply for a credit card with that capability? In the U.S. there are credit card providers that can do that, not sure about Canada but I figured it’d be the same there.

Otherwise the comment from /u/brrt@sh.itjust.works is spot on, all the phone apps like Google Pay already virtualize your card number so you’re not actually sharing your full details with the merchant. Or make your own prepaid debit card via a separate checking account you put a bit of spending money into.

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