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However, he said that his office has not been able to verify or successfully reach a Navajo person who has been detained.

Half way down the (long) article

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Above that,

“We now know that Navajo people and enrolled members of other tribes are being detained in Phoenix and other cities by ICE,” Navajo Nation Council Speaker Crystalyne Curley said during a committee meeting on Thursday. “The reports that we have received indicate that we need to coordinate an operation or some type of response to help our enrolled tribal members here on the Navajo Nation.”

On Thursday, Navajo tribal leaders reported that they have received calls and text messages from Navajo people living in urban areas who have been stopped, questioned or detained by ICE.

State Sen. Theresa Hatathlie joined the committee meeting virtually and shared her report and concerns in Navajo. Hatathlie represents the Legislative District 6, which encompasses the Navajo Nation.

Hatathlie reported to the Council that she received a call about a case involving eight Navajo citizens who were detained for hours with no cell phones or ability to contact their families or tribes.

So, multiple elected officials are independently saying in public they’ve received multiple reports of this happening, one is saying he hasn’t been able to speak to anyone who was detained or get any information out of ICE about what they’ve done. Since ICE and other federal agencies will lie about this stuff there are going to be a lot of situations where we can’t verify exactly what was done to whom right away.

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The accelerationist fucks can all get fucked. We told you spreading anti-democratic sentiment and allowing those doing so to lie on social media would lead to shit like this but no, we had to be told we love genocide and be otherwise dismissed. We were fucking right and any rational, un brainwashed person could see it.

Inb4 “oh you can’t allow any criticism of Democrats. Duopoly, fascist. GeNoCiDe bLuE mAgA blahhh”.

Yeah we all can and certainly should be unloading criticism on democrats but when you’re headed to a country-ending election you are an irresponsible idiot if you can’t do it with the caveat that it’s extremely important to vote against trump. We’re reaping what these idiots sowed and it probably will mostly hurt society’s most vulnerable.

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Deleted what I had written in this comment. It’s just not worth it to invest energy going over this again. America is fucked and that especially includes people like me. The trans community is already facing widespread institutional violence like we never have before. Thanks to the rise of fascism. I wholeheartedly reject the need to blame a minority group for the problem and not those in power who actually ran on conservative pro-colonist ideology. This reality was arrived at with a Democrat in power. Electoralism doesn’t work.

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I stand by what I said about accelerationists

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They’ve moved on to “it’s not my fault I chose not to vote, the Democrats didn’t promise me a pony”.

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Is that a Vermin Supreme reference?

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They were saying this before the election, too: “Biden/Kamala are not perfect human beings, so I’m morally superior by not voting Democratic or voting for a useless third party! Look at meeeeee, I’m so very sparkly and special!”

Or worse, some of them even voted for donvict.

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Oh they already got ahead on that – I read “the democrats platform sucks so no wonder [fascism isn’t a big deal]” kind of shit for months before the election

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for example: https://lemmy.world/comment/14231344. That was almost a month ago now.

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I’ve already seen “Trump is better than Biden, actually.” from ml.

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Source it then. Thanks for the links in advance.

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I am still trying to get over “Trump is not as bad because all he is proposing is ethnic cleansing, which is not genocide.”

And you show them statistics about things like the Trail of Tears and how many people died and they don’t give a fuck.

Just like they don’t actually give a fuck about Palestinians. Palestinians are just pawns in their political games.

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Accelerationist here. Thanks for adding that word to my vocab!

Anyways, this issue is nothing compared to the war in Gaza, which is nothing compared global warming (which the Dems weren’t taking seriously)

Maybe I’ll consider supporting Democrats if they push a truly aggressive candidate. Until then, third party support from me

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lemmy.ml

Don’t engage the trolls, guys.

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dares to have non-liberal opinion

“Don’t engage the trolls, guys”

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If you dont like what you see, that’s on you, not us. It’s your lemmy account. Take control, block them. Block me. Block .ml.

Don’t expect other people to change just for you lil special guy. Just like you shouldn’t expect people to vote for your preference.

This should be a competition on who can beat the Republicans the best, not blue conservatives vs leftists. That is… if beating Trump and the republicans is your highest priority. Is it?

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Shooting a dog is nothing compared to shooting a person, so it’s no problem if I shoot a dog.

This is the stupidest take I’ve ever fucking heard.

People don’t support hard progressives because they associate them with brain dead ideas like this. You’re part of the problem you hate. You’re just as bad as the fucking nazis because you’re helping their cause. And oh sure, it’s not bad now, but that’s what Germans said when those assholes were just starting to get moving.

Pull your head out of your ass and think in practicalities. Idealism should guide direction, but practicality should drive action towards that direction.

And I know this isn’t going to convince you. This is for the third parties reading this conversation. Don’t be like this asshole.

Edit: and fuck, if you didn’t now the term accelerationism before forming this kind of opinion, you truly have no fucking idea what you’re talking about. Go read some shit

Edit edit: and I think you still don’t understand what accelerationism means because it makes no sense in the context of climate change, which you’ve mentioned is a larger concern. Unless you’re making the assumption that at any arbitrary point climate change is reversible, which would also be blatantly uninformed. Fuck, I hope you’re not old enough to vote

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So, following your logic, because things are worse elsewhere, we don’t have to be concerned about what’s happening in our country?

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The point of accelerationism (imo) is to ignore these minor issues so they can bubble up until the root cause is addressed.

The root cause isn’t ICE, immigration policy or Trump, it’s global and national scale inequality where billionaires and mega corporations prevent wealth distribution and real change from happening. We need a party who is willing to nationalize corporations that break the law, delete the military budget, and make serious pushes for climate action the same way Trump is pushing Colombia to take back their immigrants.

Until we get that kind of change, we will continue bickering over a couple lives here and there while the whole system heads for collapse.

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So your solution for Gaza is to pour gas on the fire while burning the US to the ground too. Cool.

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If I give 100 fucks for climate change and 10 for Gaza, I barely give 1 fuck about deporting people. Until the Democrats focus on what’s actually important, I will not be supporting them

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Accelerationists helping accelerate global warming :(

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Let’s say we’re approaching global warming at a rate of 10. Voting Republicans makes it go to 11, voting Democrats makes it go to 9.

I. Don’t. Care. if it’s the Republicans or Democrats who win. We need solidarity around saying “this isn’t good enough”, and we need people to vote third party until that happens.

You can sit there on moral high ground knowing you voted for Harris who would have been slightly better on climate, but we both know it won’t stop the collapse.

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Blue MAGA.

Get rid of First Past The Post voting in blue states and get out of the way.

You lost your privileged position as the sole resistance against the republican party.

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Proud of your handiwork I see.

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I kept saying this would happen. Citizens will be detained and eventually probably deported. Because Trump literally believes that people can just have their citizenship taken away from them on a whim.

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Hey everyone! This person kept saying this would happen!

I mean why didn’t we just listen to this specific one commenter? They kept saying this would happen. As if no one else could have anticipated it.

When will we learn to listen to [random commenter].

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Sir that is Mr Flying Squid. Hes kinda notorious around these parts.

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Hundreds of people on Lemmy were saying it. Also it was common sense.

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Yeah, they were far from the only one.

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Just wait until you find out that Trump is a white supremacist who entertains Nazis at his home with private dinner parties.

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Yep, me too all because they were brown. Racism was always the point of Trump deportation stick. And fucking mega base is loving it. We can thank those who set at the election and the never Harris crowd for now all stuck in this hellhole. Except for FlyingSquid who luckily was able to escape. But fucking people had just voted he would had to escape which probably wasn’t easy.

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It is not easy, but it is something I was lucky to be able to do. Right now, no job, my savings are running out, my wife (a librarian, risking imprisonment) is still stuck in the U.S., and if I don’t find anything in a couple of months, what I do have saved up will be gone and I don’t know what we’ll do.

But yeah, a lot of people will be worse off than us and I’m sorry.

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I’m sorry too that you had to flee and go through your savings (which probably took lot time to even do) and start over in other country. I am trying to find work here in the states and having a hard time so I can’t imagine what your going through. I hope it works out for both of us. Good luck for both of us.

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Are you a dual citizen? Otherwise, you would have needed a job, no?

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As another librarian, it’s fucking terrifying work these days. We are beloved by the people but a giant target for this administration. I loved this work for decades but I’m about to flee for industry because I’m exhausted. We’re also not super portable, library jobs are hard to come by and those outside the US are hot right now.

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Just a friendly FYI, it’s Shtick or Schtick

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It’s already happened in Arizona before. It’s why Joe Arpaio was convicted – contempt for continuing to profile and round up immigrants after a court told him to stop. Pardoned by Trump.

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And even after all that and tent cities, he ran for office again. Didn’t win but the fact he was even allowed to try again is a major flaw in the system

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What, you mean the racist people aren’t doing a great job verifying which brown people they are supposed to be looking for, and are just grabbing anyone? Shocking…well not that shocking.

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“They are non-white. Put them on the next plane to Mexico or Colombo or wherever, and let them sort this out.”

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An then just clean out the place? Trump is good at cleaning

Remember how he had minorities in his show? I would check out those people… See if there’s sheep in Wolf’s clothing or vise versa.

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