Summary

Episcopal Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde refused to apologize after delivering a sermon at the National Cathedral that criticized Trump’s anti-LGBTQ+ and immigration policies, calling for compassion and mercy for marginalized groups.

Trump responded by attacking Budde on Truth Social, labeling her a “Radical Left hard line Trump hater.”

Budde, known for prior criticism of Trump, said she stands by her message and has received both support and threats.

She emphasized the need for dignity and respect in public discourse to counter the “culture of contempt.”

-45 points

“Radical Left hard line Trump hater.”

That’s his go to for anyone who disagrees with him. It’s almost comical how leftists on Lemmy do the same thing with calling everybody and everything a Nazi or fascist if you don’t agree with them. The words just lose meaning after a while.

I can already predict the onslaught of “BUT THEY ARE NAZIS” responses completely and utterly missing the point.

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I can see how some people can be a tad dramatic at times with rhetoric, but the writing is on the wall in regard to the Nazi salute Elon Musk did at his speech. You have to call a pig, a pig, no matter how much lipstick it might have on to distract you from the fact otherwise.

But I digress a bit. What exactly is the point you were referring to, that I and others seem to be missing? That Trump’s words are just words and because other people who don’t have anywhere near the power/authority/wealth say things in a similar manner back at him/his “friends” his actions and speech should be dismissed, justified even??

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What exactly is the point you were referring to, that I and others seem to be missing?

Blessed be - somebody actually asking for clarification before chiding me.

The number of times I’ve been called a “genocide supporter” or “Nazi” on Lemmy for simply saying that Kamala would have been a better choice than Trump is f’ing ridiculous. Or that “yes Nazis have freedom of speech” also gets me called a Nazi. If I hear the ridiculous “Nazi Bar” story one more time I’ll lose it.

Anyone disagreeing with leftist ideals EVEN WHILE AGREEING IN SPIRIT is called a Nazi on here all the time. The word is losing all meaning.

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Anyone disagreeing with leftist ideals EVEN WHILE AGREEING IN SPIRIT is called a Nazi on here all the time. The word is losing all meaning.

I definitely agree with this. It’s one of the first things I found jarring when I joined Lemmy, that the fascist label is thrown around way too much. Everything that someone doesn’t like or agree with are fascists, or tankies. There seems to be very little nuance.

I’ve seen people call Lemmy.world, shitjustworks, blahaj and hexbear instances fascist.

If people keep throwing it around liberally where it doesn’t make any sense then people will stop listening or eye roll when you try and point out when someone is being a literal nazi.

It’s basically a boy who cried wolf situation.

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So WTF do you call someone who acts like a Nazi, talks like a Nazi, even does the damn salute on live TV, but doesn’t call themselves a Nazi?

There is actually a word for that. “crypto-fascist”. The nonsense you just spouted is exactly what they want. The benefit of the doubt. They’ll chip away at decent society little by little, slowly boiling the frog, until they go all the way to bringing back death camps and we’ll still have people like you thinking “well, they don’t admit to being Nazis, soo…”

I knew a couple elderly Germans who could have told you all about how their society slowly slid into hell.

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Perfect example of missing the point - complete with a straw-man - thanks!

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What is the point you are making?

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So you didn’t make your point very well then.

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Thank you, Bishop Budde.

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We should build a statue of her and call it “Budde Bishop”

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Great idea, I shared your comment to c/blender

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Go for it!

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Budde, known for prior criticism of Trump, said she stands by her message and has received both support and threats.

I wonder why there’s always threats when someone asks people to have mercy and empathy. Are some people really that soft that they can’t hear opposing viewpoints?

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The best part is that it’s basically what Jesus did. “Be kind to each other, have mercy”. The romans nailed him to a cross.

Are some people really that soft that they can’t hear opposing viewpoints?

Yet if you deplatform these nazis, they say exactly that.

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You heard it here first folks. Jesus was of the radical left.

Right wingers have lost their goddamn minds.

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TBH he really was, but most self-professed Christians don’t understand that.

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Conservatives would probably be first in line to crucify him if they lived back then.

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Or if he returned, as their legend portends.

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They see Trump as the Second Coming, and wear his symbol on their foreheads, blinding themselves to the truth that he’s the antiChrist.

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Unironically, Jesus was radical left in many ways. Many Christians do not like to confront those aspects of the bible.

Let criminals into your home. Give them shelter and food. Give all of your money to charity. If someone harms you, turn the other cheek. Feed the poor before yourself. Brutally whip greedy wealthy people. Those are just some fun examples.

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where does Jesus say to feed the poor before yourself?

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Nobody wants you to do that, shut up.

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I’ll be real with you, I have no idea, but I do know that that sentiment is expressed several times in several different parts of the bible. It’s not one of the more popular messages with the standard Christian crowd.

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It’s what MLK did so well, and honestly, this is the first step to breaking the GOPs monopoly on religion and the Southern Strategy.

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If someone harms you, turn the other cheek.

This is a bit of an aside, but the “turn the other cheek” passage from the bible is interpreted in multiple ways. My favorite is:

The scholar Walter Wink, in his book Engaging the Powers: Discernment and Resistance in a World of Domination, interprets the passage as ways to subvert the power structures of the time.[3] At the time of Jesus, says Wink, striking backhand a person deemed to be of lower socioeconomic class was a means of asserting authority and dominance. If the persecuted person “turned the other cheek,” the discipliner was faced with a dilemma: the left hand was used for unclean purposes, so a back-hand strike on the opposite cheek would not be performed. An alternative would be a slap with the open hand as a challenge or to punch the person, but this was seen as a statement of equality. Thus, by turning the other cheek, the persecuted was demanding equality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_the_other_cheek

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So it’s kind of like a pre-medieval gentlemanly way of saying “let’s take this outside”?

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I’m hardly a biblical scholar, but that interpretation doesn’t feel like it fits with the rest of the passage…

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

It says turn them the other cheek also, after ‘do not resist’. So it’s about offering even to the worst, rather than resisting.

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Except for brutally whipping greedy people, I don’t think any of that is radical at all.

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It isn’t, but we’re talking about Trump’s definition of radical.

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“And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭44‬-‭47‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Sounds pretty radically left to me.

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And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.

Huh, sounds vaguely familiar… Something like, “from each, according to their ability, to which according to their need”?

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“Blessed are the aggressive, for they shall inherit the Earth.”

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Unmeekness is not necessarily aggressive (Matthew 5:5 is about humility, not docility).

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Jesus told you that if you saw a guy who needs clothes and you have clothes you aren’t wearing you should give that guy some clothes. This was a strong inspiration for a major philosophy that for some reason many “Christians” hate called Marxism

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Every church has the potential to become the a mutual aide community. It’s what Jesus would have wanted

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They used to be and some still are.

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Attacking traders, saying that you should share your food because you’ll get it back several times over, rebelling against autocratic rulers, solidarity and meeting the poor and marginalised at eye level

Definitely extreme left.

And does anyone remember the time when his affinity group resisted Jesus’ imprisonment by the security authorities by cutting off one of the officers’ ears? I have my doubts that it happened that way because the guy was seen with both ears several times afterwards, but the police legionnaires would never invent details to make the leftists look worse.

This shows that the movement surrounding the carpenter “Jesus” is obviously ready for violence. Also, numerous talks by followers of this group about a “Kingdom of God” (we suspect this is dog whispering for “dictatorship of the proletariat” as some leftists say they are “their own god”). In addition, influential members of this movement openly spoke of overthrowing the existing order. Although these plans were thwarted by “Jesus”, his tolerance towards potential ideological perpetrators of violence suggests that he does not rule out a violent overthrow.

The group should be categorised as left-wing extremist and left-wing terrorist and should be smashed immediately.

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Lol.

There are so many fake Christians in this country.

Glad this woman stood up for what’s right and attempted to remind all the fake Christians what their religion is supposed to be about. And kudos to her for not backing down to a fascist.

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Amen. I am often critical of organized religion but every now and then I’m reminded that it’s not all rotten.

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