As a colored dude, it’s hard to explain. I’ve even had white folks say, “Nah man it’s not like that.”

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The impact of centuries of slavery, segregation, and unequal treatment doesn’t disappear quickly. Even if the root causes were completely resolved (and they are not), the consequences reverberate for a long time. We cannot forget that much of our life is a result of where we start, and it was the same for our parents, and their parents.

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69 points

They know.

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Surprisingly, they don’t. Well, the ones who enact / reject these policies do, but the layman doesn’t. It’s incredibly frustrating to have friends and co-workers who reject the explanation for why DEI matters and is important

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Sorry for my ignorance, but what does DEI stand for?

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No need to apologize. Diversity, equity and inclusion. It’s the principle that having more representation is a good thing. The Trump administration is against it because they claim it takes opportunities away from straight white men.

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6 points

Diversity, equity, and Irrigation

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17 points

People denied COVID was real whilst gargling their own lungs. What the fuck would it take to convince you these assholes aren’t secretly well-informed?

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5 points

Meant the people doing it

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If they were secretly well-informed, why would they risk their life?

Why could you convicte them they are wrong?

Why would they hide it?

EDIT: sorry, i missed a “n’t”

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51 points

She still believes that conservatives argue in good faith?

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I feel like “DEI” is a bandaid to a bigger issue, that is: unequal opportunities due to schools that aren’t properly funded (amongst many other things in a person’s childhood).

If those issue are fixed, these “DEI” stuff wouldn’t even need to exist.

Also:

I hate how people complain that Harris is somehow “DEI”

Like, isn’t politicians supposed to represent the people? If they keep picking White Men, how are minorities supposed to feel like a part of the country? There were 45 presidents of which 44 were White Men, and this ticket of a Black Woman (Harris) + a White Man (Walz) somehow triggers people. 🙄 (Like who cares, vote for policy, not people)

Even if Harris was elected, Black Presidents wouldn’t even represent 5% of all people who have been presidents. (2/46 = 4.34% vs the black population at 13%) Why they (conservatives) be complaining so much lol.

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The country is a racist shithole, and more people than you might think are essentially closeted bigots, unless they think you’re some ally, oh boy will they open up and it gets uncomfortable.

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If they keep picking White Men, how are minorities supposed to feel like a part of the country?

That’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

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I fully agree and in typical American fashion, affirmative action and DEI were just bandaids to quickly solve some of the effects of institutional discrimination, instead of solving it at the root.

Even I, as a very progressive person, don’t like some DEI hires. But the actual problematic DEI hires are not talented people like Kamala Harris. They are connected incompetent people.

I think Clarence Thomas would be a good example. By most accounts he is the most corrupt and incompetent justice, who just happened to run in the right conservative circles.

In the business world, I also see quite a lot of well-connected incompetent people. It used to be white gulf buddies, now it tends to be the white sister-of, or the latina wife-of, the gulf buddy.

Maybe the Trump kids are the best example of DEI hires. Ivanka Trump, anyone?

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But the actual problematic DEI hires are not talented people like Kamala Harris. They are connected incompetent people.

I argue that Harris isn’t really that much of a “DEI Hire”.

I mean, sure, you might argue she only got picked because of race and gender. But the purpose of politicians in a democratic system is to make people feel represented, not necessarily the “smartest” or “most experienced”. Race and Gender absolutely matters. Like, if we keep having white men in the white house, that is a big “f you” to women and minorities. So picking Harris is absolutely essential to acknowledge the existence of Black people and Women. (And Harris isn’t even some random person, she was qualified enough to be Attorney General of CA, and a Senator, merit definitely contributed to her getting picked)

Besides, the President (and Vice President) will have a lot of advisors to help them with the job, you don’t need someone that’s an Einstein to be President, just someone with overall good policy and some compassion, and can pick good cabinet members to run the country.

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The job of politicians shouldn’t be considered to be to make people feel represented. It should be to actually represent them.

If it was to make people feel represented, then I’m sorry to inform you that Donald Trump is the most successful President in my memory, perhaps the most successful ever, because that is his appeal - he makes the MAGAts feel represented, and he does so very very strongly.

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Thomas got in because of cronyism. He was the best conspirator available. He was also appointed by a Republican President who claimed he was the best qualified. Quite the opposite of token hiring. The party accused of using DEI to subvert a meritocracy opposed his appointment (Democrats).

So in summary, the GOP is projecting its failures onto Democrats again.

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As a white guy, it is like that. In the same way it is in female run office spaces. But white guy culture is definitely the most toxic. They feel unashamedly deserving when they find good old boys clubs.

Having worked in a sexist office, it sucks, having worked for good old boys, it sucks. Not being able to call people out on their shit fucking sucks.

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female run office spaces

The worst places I have worked at had female leadership and majority women employees. The gossip and bullying was off the scale. Older ladies harassing young men was a daily occurrence and laughed at.

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The old hags in the fucking HR department at one place I worked were the most racist sexist pieces of shit I have ever had the displeasure of being within earshot of.

Any group is capable of making a workplace toxic.

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Reminds me of this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html

It’s the DailyMail, so take it with a wheelbarrow of salt, but it’s what came to mind.

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Women being assholes to men has become deeply ingrained in American culture.

Men dumb, women smart is something many men agree with while claiming to be alpha. It’s quite silly and has resulted in a form a toxicity that remains poorly defined but palpable once you’re aware of it…

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I think it’s just that people being assholes to each other has become deeply ingrained in American culture. It’s become totally acceptable to dehumanize other people for trivial reasons, on both the right and the left.

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