Summary

Elon Musk’s address to Germany’s far-right AfD party, where he downplayed Germany’s Nazi past and criticized multiculturalism, has sparked global alarm.

Halie Soifer, CEO of the Jewish Democratic Council of America, called the remarks “incredibly dangerous,” warning of their potential to embolden right-wing extremists and threaten Jewish security worldwide.

Critics highlighted Musk’s alignment with far-right ideologies, including his Nazi salutes at Trump’s inauguration.

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The Guardian using that image is gold. That flag is perfectly in place.

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Thanks for pointing that out. Once you see it, you can’t unsee it.

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I immediately noticed it, but only saw today that it isn’t photoshopped but just a coincidence.

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12 points

The flag is clearly autistic.

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This is the part the American press can’t seem to learn. They’ve appeased and both-sided these dangerously bigoted fools for so long that they’re incapable of actually changing their coverage strategy.

“They don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this alignment. It has been a steady stream of signaling to rightwing extremists that they have an ally now in the White House.”

We all have eyes, it’s the job of the press to tell us what we’re seeing and why, not tell us we didn’t see what we all know we saw. Cover Nazis like they’re Nazis.

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Yeah but this is more profitable. Remember, the major news orgs like Fox News are controlled by people like Rupert Murdoch. They benefit from this.

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But I’m not sure why it has to stay that way. Reality doesn’t have to be less profitable than bigoted fantasies, and news was never really meant to turn a profit anyway. Regardless, Fox News and Murdoch properties are a lost cause in my opinion. I care more about the traditional press that calls themselves free and fair but hasn’t acted that way in years.

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Reality is always going to be less profitable.

Traditional journalism is dead. It doesn’t pay nearly enough to survive these days, not to mention the stress from being attacked by politicians and their followers.

Can it change? Yes. But that means taking down the oligarchy and capitalism.

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news was never really meant to turn a profit anyway.

Ever heard of capital? It literally creates ideological narratives for profit under a system called capitalism.

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After repealing the fairness doctrine and the conglomeration of news networks into multinational corporations, profit is now all that matters to them.

All those campaign bribes which corrupt our politicians and prevent them from doing things to materially improve our lives? Mostly going right into the pockets of news corps as ad revenue.

It’s a dangerous downward spiral of misinformation, gaslighting, and grifting.

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it’s the job of the press to tell us what we’re seeing and why

That’s a pretty dangerous way to approach other people. Journalists are just as capable of error or corruption as everyone else.

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Of course they’re capable of error and corruption, every human being is. That’s why they ideally need institutions behind them to protect them and ensure they’re only reporting the truth. The point of a free press is to describe events as they happened and provide context, which serves as the first draft of history. They’ll certainly make errors here and there, but as long as they accurately describe reality, offer explanations based on history and uncompromising contemporary interviews, as well as promptly correct any mistakes with humility, then they’ve done their job. I don’t see how that’s the least bit dangerous.

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they ideally need institutions behind them to protect them and ensure they’re only reporting the truth.

lol you should check out who owns and runs the institutions sometime.

as long as they accurately describe reality, offer explanations based on history and uncompromising contemporary interviews, as well as promptly correct any mistakes with humility, then they’ve done their job. I don’t see how that’s the least bit dangerous.

What’s dangerous is believing in this nonsense.

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They aren’t bloggers. Journalism is (was) a profession with standards and ethics. Doing what’s feasible to avoid error and corruption is part of their job and training.

They aren’t fulfilling a responsibility of the profession just like a doctor and their oaths.

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They don’t even need error or corruption to be unknowingly biased, using hegemonic framing, working within capitalist/racist/patriarchical institutions, etc.

That’s the far worse and far realer danger than people just making individual mistakes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model#Filters

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I’d argue that you’ve just described one source of error, but it still furthers my point that allowing strangers to tell you what you’re seeing and why will not result in providing you an accurate picture of reality, and potentially return a highly distorted one.

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Cool. I once again have to worry about being an “other” wherever I go.

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So do people in all their targeted groups, and in the targeted groups to come. However safe a person feels they are, Nazis’ lists of enemies always grow and grow. One day any of us could be the target, so we had all better fight back now. We need a real popular resistance against these Nazis.

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Historically, Jews have almost always been ‘others’.

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Oh I know. To a lot of white people I’m not white and to most other people I am white.

I definitely have the white privilege advantage over people of color, but I’m also not white apparently.

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Yeah, I’m not technically a jew (paternal grandfather), but I have the nose, so I have to be a little careful.

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Didn’t you just move out of the country?

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Yes. Your point?

You do know this speech was in Germany, right? You do know Jews are hated all over the world, right?

Edit: as the downvoters are proving.

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Don’t be daft lad, you’re one of us now!
Anyone putting up with this fucking weather is.
2 rules:

  1. Don’t be a cunt.
  2. See rule 1.

Anyone othering you is in breach of rule 1 and will be tutted at furiously

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I will say that being in Blackburn, 30% Muslim, and looking very obviously Jewish- everyone has been very kind. (Not suggesting that being Muslim automatically makes you antisemitic, but there are, unfortunately- and thanks to Israel mainly- a fair number of Muslims that hate Jews.)

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looking very obviously Jewish

You mean european? Not like ugandan? smh.

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I’ve only ever found Muslims to be at worst civil and at best excellent friends. And I used to live in Luton (highest proportion of Muslim population in the UK). I’m not Jewish though.

Weird question - I’ve never been able to say for sure if someone is Jewish by looking at them (unless they’re wearing a yarmulke or Hasidic getup). I remember someone at work telling me to go talk to Mark, he’s the ‘obviously Jewish guy’, and having zero idea who that was. Even when he was pointed out to me I couldn’t see what was different from him and any other dark-haired European. Is this a me problem or are people just projecting patterns?

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Halie Soifer, CEO of the Jewish Democratic Council of America, called the remarks “incredibly dangerous,”

I wonder when they’re going to come out and call her and extreme-leftist when she’s spouting such antisemitic rhetoric. After all the “leading anti-hate organization in the world,” the Anti-Defemation League, was quick to point out that Musk is just “overly enthusiastic.”

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“Antisemitic rhetoric” should be in quotes too, if you were going for sarcasm. I hope you were going for sarcasm

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I was. The quoted part is an actual quote from a different article on the topic

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When I was much younger, I thought the ADL had my back. Then I found out that since I don’t support Israel, they don’t give a shit about me.

Now there is no one who has my back.

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Now there is no one who has my back.

Welcome to humanity.

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The ADL is, and always has been, a metastasized cancer in the heart of Jewish culture. Find your local yiddishist group and tell the ADL to fucking take a nap on the beach at low tide.

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It seems that

Based on what, ADL? What Musk claimed? He’s literally the most biased source you can have.

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We (as in all the people, Jews obviously included) should be living in peace and happiness. The billionaire leeches should be the ones fearing consequences for their actions and greed. One day this dream might come true.

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