This guy is very very scared of Deepseek and all the potential malicious things it will do, seemingly due to the fact that it’s Chinese. As soon as the comments point out that ChatGPT is probably worse, he disagrees with no reasoning.
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DeepSeek as a Trojan Horse Threat.
DeepSeek, a Chinese-developed Al model, is rapidly being installed into productive software systems worldwide. Its capabilities are impressive-hyper-advanced data analysis, seamless integration, and an almost laughably low price. But here’s the problem: nothing this cheap comes without a hidden agenda.
What’s the real cost of DeepSeek?
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Suspiciously Cheap Advanced models like DeepSeek aren’t “side projects.” They take massive investments, resources, and expertise to develop. If it’s being offered at a fraction of its value, ask yourself-who’s really paying for it?
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Backdoors Everywhere DeepSeek’s origin raises alarm bells. The more systems it infiltrates, the more it becomes a potential vector for mass compromise. Think backdoors, data exfiltration, and remote access at scale-hidden vulnerabilities deliberately built in.
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Wide Adoption = Global Risk From finance to healthcare, DeepSeek is being installed across critical systems at an alarming rate. If adoption continues unchecked, 80% of our systems could soon be compromised.
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The Trojan Horse Effect DeepSeek is a textbook example of a Trojan horse strategy: lure organizations with a cheap, powerful tool, infiltrate their systems, and quietly map or control them. Once embedded, reversing the damage will be nearly impossible.
The Fairytale lsn’t Real
The story of DeepSeek being a “low-cost, side project” is just that-a fairytale. Technology like this isn’t developed without strategic motives. In the world of cyber warfare, cheap tools often come at the highest cost.
What Can We Do?
Audit your systems: Is DeepSeek already embedded in your critical infrastructure?
Ask the hard questions: Why is this so cheap? Where’s the transparency?
Take immediate action: Limit adoption before it’s too late. The price may look attractive, but the real cost could be our collective security.
Don’t fall for the fairytale.
This supposed Chief Technology Officer appears to understand very little about how Technology actually works.
Not that these concerns aren’t real necessarily but they certainly aren’t unique to DeepSeek. The real win is in propaganda, if you have a very capable and cheap model you can get everyone using you can push the party lines in sensitive issues much more effectively beyond your borders. I don’t think DeepSeek is a good tool for that yet because it just refuses to discuss those issues but I wouldn’t be surprised if that is the direction they take with future models.
Still, the fact that it’s heavily censored when it comes to sensitive CCP issues makes it a no from me.
I disagree strongly, ChatGPT will gladly tell you all about the My Lai Massacre for example. Not to say it’s perfect or completely uncensored but to say it’s worse or the same…I just can’t get there.
It’s not about the censorship for me (though I recognize that was your main point, I should have made a top level comment), it’s about the infiltration of it within our computers, tech and our daily lives, to which we become dependent on it. I’m worried that at any moment, the controlling entity could change it on a whim, publicly or covertly.
This is answered as a Scandinavian.
One of the biggest issues I see with Deepseek and really any AI is that people feed it with sensitive data. Deepseek is probably not a big issue as long as people don’t share sensitive data about other people.
People find a tool that make them more effective, then they use it at work and insert data that should not be shared unfortunately.
The risk is also there for ChatGPT and Claude. The difference is that they are not a company from a country that is considered adversarial by my government.
USA is not perfect, far from it, and we KNOW from the Snowden leaks that they can’t be trusted. Yet, they are allies and can thus by extension be more trusted, than a country that has laws that force cooperation by companies and people worldwide.
As a European I prefer that my data is leaked to the USA over China. But I trust neither with it.
I might be wrong, and would like to learn that I am wrong. So feel free to try to convince me otherwise.
Recommended reading: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Law_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersecurity_Law_of_the_People’s_Republic_of_China
At this point I can’t say I trust my data with the US more than China tbh. China isn’t threatening to attack Europe, and Chinese companies are not actively bribing EU governments for months, and interfering with elections.
But anyway, all this FUD always forgets to mention that you can also just host your own uncensored, unmonitored Deepseek model if you work with sensitive information.
and Chinese companies are not actively bribing EU governments for months
Is the US doing that? What are you referring to?
Look, I’m Scandinavian as well, and I kinda agree with you to some point, at least historically. Although I have some serious trust issues with the US given, well *gestures broadly at everything*.
With that said, I find it quite delusional that this guy dreams up all these fearmongering scenarios, many of which I’m not even sure are technically feasible, while completely dismissing any criticism of OpenAI or similar US based companies. To him China=100% evil and out to get ya, US=0% evil and out to get ya. And this sort of view of the world is just so detached from reality.
Lol China is shit but not everything from China is a Communist party psyop
Not all, they likely still embed some pro-CCP nonsense in the model. It’s unlikely to be a security issue to your machine, but it could alter public perception, which could be in China’s interests.
Whether that’s an actual problem that needs action is another issue. I don’t know about you, but my intended use-cases have very little risk of indoctrination (e.g. code analysis and generation).
Ah yeah that’s true. I’m not really knowledgable in AI training but can’t you use the deepseek r1 model as a base training model and overwrite it with more international data (like adding some tianmen square knowledge to it and producing actual facts)
If it had been embedded with pro CCP it would not have censorship in place to stop trigger words (lol)
It’s critical of china in every way except those specific events, if it had been trained to throw pro-CCP material it wouldn’t lock up but instead argue with you, for example, uyghur genocide having no concrete proof orrrr that there are studies showing that it is just detention camps for terrorists orrrr that tianenmen was started by the students and escalated into a tragedy orrrr that the tank man was just an act man an individual trying to speak with the officers rather than heroism
But it doesn’t do that and instead focused on censorship
The whole thing reads like it’s written by whatever LLM Linkedin provides
