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lol, I love it. I’m thinking about paying for DeepSeek even though I hate AI bullshit, just to spite all the panicking AI tech scammers. This has seriously made my week, the amount of copium they are inhaling is insanely funny :D

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If I had money to spend, I would get a ChatGPT subscription since they lose money for every account.

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That’s only for the 200$ one, and if you use it constantly, no?

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7 points

Just rent some server space instead and run your open-weights model of choice

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12 points

The whole startup industry rely on investors to cover for their costs for years, while they work on a loss, in order to obtain a bigger market share. Look at Netflix, Facebook, WhatsApp, etc.

So buying an account you are increasing their market share.

But feel free to use Mistral, Deepseek, etc. that would be better

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3 points

I had a subscription but I barely used it, maybe twice a day with no complex stuff. I don’t get how it’s possible to lose money on users like me. I finally cancelled because of the price.

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4 points

They don’t lose money on users like you.

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4 points

You have to use it a lot. From what I can tell that’s their problem, they priced unlimited access low based on some numbers they pulled out their arse and then were all shocked Pikachu face when people used it and unlimited amount.

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3 points

Use duck duck go ai chat https://duck.ai/

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1 point

Isn’t the OpenAI one they offer the same one as the one provided at https://chatgpt.com/ without login? So probably something not as impactful.

Or do they share their unlimited subscription?

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58 points

“You can’t steal that public data! We stole it first!”

And considering that’s exactly what Microsoft did to Apple with point and click, what irony!

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30 points

They both stole point and click from Xerox if my memory serves me correctly

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21 points

yeah xerox invented the GUI and mouse

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Actually, it was invented by Douglas Engelbart in Stanford in the 60s

https://dougengelbart.org/content/view/162/000/

Xerox (re)made it for the PC in the 80s.

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4 points

Oh really? **Rabbit hole unlocked

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4 points

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFcb-XF1RPQ

The relevant part of Pirates of Silicon Valley. After which you should watch the whole thing. It’s fan fiction, but it’s the best explanation of what happened between Apple and Microsoft leading into the 1990s.

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1 point

They didn’t steal it from Smith & Wesson?

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34 points

Are they worried that deepsink too stuff written by others, mixed it up, and repackaged it as it’s own?

Well, yeah, that’s all AI is. An expensive weighted pachinko machine, that uses human made content, and remixes it.

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The question isn’t whether they’ve used the same information. It’s whether they’ve faked the process to achieve that 20x efficiency.

Look at it like a dictionary. Writing one from scratch is a huge task, no matter how many other books exist. How do you even go about finding all of the words?

But if other people have already written dictionaries, you can just use their word lists and go from there.

It’s more efficient, but only because it’s a completely different task.

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No AI company has ever made any of their own content to train their models, they took what others created, remixed it, and presented it as something new.

This AI model did the same thing.

AI lost its job to AI.

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Yes, but that doesn’t mean it is more efficient, which is what the whole thing is about.

Let’s pretend we’re not talking about AI, but tuna fishing. OpenTuna is sending hundreds of ships to the ocean to go fishing. It’s extremely expensive, but it gets results.

If another fish distributor shows up out of nowhere selling tuna for 1/10 the price, it would be amazing. But if you found out that they could sell them cheap because they were stealing the fish from OpenTuna warehouses, you wouldn’t argue that the secret to catching fish going forward is theft and stop building boats.

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Is it worth it? Let me work it I put my thing down, flip it and reverse it

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If I stole from the thief, is it really stealing?

  • some Philosopher probably
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In Brazil, there’s a rhymed saying: “ladrão que rouba ladrão tem 100 anos de perdão”, it translates to “a thief that steals from a thief has 100 years of forgiveness”

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It’s a common proverb in Portuguese, not just in Brazil.

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138 points

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Chinese company:

Truly, you have a dizzling intellect.

Microsoft:

AND IM JUST GETTING STARTED! Where was I?

Chinese company:

Stealing data…

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