195 points

“Reddit continues to be anti-free speech,” Cedric Hohnstadt said on X. “I just got a lifetime ban from the ‘comics’ subreddit. Yesterday, I posted a humor comic that got over 5,400 upvotes. Then I noticed that there was a pinned post from the moderators saying that comics linked from X could no longer be shared because Musk gave a Nazi salute. I commented saying no he didn’t. The moderator accused me of being pro-Nazi, banned me permanently for life, and deleted all my past posts from the ‘comics’ subreddit. But somehow Elon Musk is the totalitarian?” The post has been viewed 3.7 million times.

Amazing that a blind man can draw comics.

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51 points

It sucks to get banned for life from somewhere you love for doing something you didn’t feel was wrong, but holy hell, Musk absolutely threw up a Nazi salute.

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25 points

No, you’re wrong.

He threw TWO Nazi salutes.

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Anytime else think the second one has a bit of “uh oh, I did that, but can’t stop now” energy?

Either that or he’d broken the seal and was comfortable with it by then. He probably practiced in the mirror before either way. The fact he hasn’t tried it again is encouraging that the criticism might be getting through anyway.

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35 points

Truly inspiring

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25 points

You can do anything. Except criticising musk. Thats too far.

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The post has been viewed 3.7 million times.

Assuming this is the info box in new Reddit, those stats always felt… wrong

The difference between comments/votes and supposed “views” made it seem like the later was inflated.

Even more obvious was when something got posted at odd hours of the night in a local community. The view count would take off shortly after, while the comments and votes would only show up around when people wake up.

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18 points

I think you severely underestimate the amount of people who just browse and don’t interact with stuff.

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6 points

“Reddit continues to be anti-free speech,” Cedric Hohnstadt said on X.

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4 points

Oh the twitter post

I didn’t notice where the quote ended

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Could be partly explained by the language (and or cultural) barrier of the people from other parts of the world who view the post at night - when it’s daytime in their country.

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5 points

Also, bots would likely inflate that number pretty drastically.

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By local community I meant one that’s specific to a small local area (ex. School, municipality). It’s possible that people from other parts of the world are seeing the post in the All type feeds, but I found it odd that only views went up while comments and votes didn’t until morning.

It makes sense for the cause to be bots, but that makes the number deceptive since it’s implying that your post reached a certain number of human viewers. It should be possible to adjust that number based on their estimates of humans vs. bots

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138 points

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU NAZI FUCK

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26 points

Well said, if a little too understated even. In germany, some mention the nuremberg trials and nazis immediately shit their pants. Give it a read if you like.

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8 points

wonder where the next trials will be held

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10 points

Charlotte

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one X user claimed the website was “anti-free speech” after he said he was banned from the “comics” subreddit for denying that the tech mogul did a Nazi salute

That sounds like pro truth rather than “anti free speech”, no?

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Free speech means having to read and hear things you don’t like or disagree with every now and again. I personally think bans should be restricted to hate speech or else we’ll sleep walk in to an echo chamber.

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72 points

Moderators on a private website don’t actually have to put up with Nazi liars.

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-60 points

Nice opinion, you’re entitled to that!

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39 points

I personally think bans should be restricted to hate speech

Nazi salutes are hate speech.

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26 points

Freedom of speech is not a freedom to lie.

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Damn, now you got me defending fucking Musk on this issue.

Freedom of speech is also the freedom to lie. However, that just means the state can’t arrest you for your speech. Nobody owes you a platform for your free speech.

That said, Elon Musk is a turd sandwich.

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In legal terms it is (with the obvious exceptions for impersonation, defamation, etc)

But in private forums? Mods can be however strict they want

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Well if this person truly believes it wasn’t a Nazi salute, then he’s not lying.

I believe ghosts aren’t real, but that doesn’t mean I think anyone that has seen a ghost is lying, I truly believe that they think they saw a ghost.

There’s a huge difference between an objective truth and a widely agreed upon opinion.

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Removed by mod
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Free speech means the government can’t sanction you for unpopular speech. It says absolutely nothing about private citizens.

You’re not entitled to an audience, or to anybody else’s platform.

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Nah, you don’t have a right to a space; that is, spaces have a right to police themselves. If you don’t like it, the cost to start your own community is virtually nill, and you can go ahead and refuse to moderate that community. That’s your choice and you’re free to make it.

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7 points

Free speech protects hate speech in the United States, so you’ve already got your wish.

But the Constitution restricts the government, it doesn’t apply to your peers, and nor should it.

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3 points

Freedom of association is important, too. You have the freedom to speak, but people don’t have the obligation to listen to you. If they’re running a forum and they don’t like what you say, they can ban you. It’s their forum. You have the freedom to go to a different forum or start your own.

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2 points

Absolutely not you dimwit.

I run a security related subreddit (cryptography). A false sense of security from wrong answers can literally kill

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2 points

No. You have no right to force me to listen to you.

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0 points

I agree why I agree if you defend nazi then that is hate speech and he was rightly banned.

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This place is already an echo chamber. Just try not agreeing with the party line.

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Reddit’s about to get shittier. Again. Either they’ll kowtow to Musk and make it against the rules to ban X links or they’ll give some bland, noncommital, centrist statement about how they respect the hard work their mods put in to keep Reddit going or whatever. I really doubt they’ll make any unequivocal statement condemning Musk as the neo-Nazi shitbag he is.

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The second reddit pulls some pro-Elon conservative bullshit, expect Lemmy to be FLOODED.

Reddit is a liberal haven and there will be a mass exodus if they toe the President Musk line.

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27 points

If the API price-gouging scandal didn’t bring them all over already, then you might be surprised just how many continue to hang on there, even after this one. And the next one. And the next.

It’s just how people are. We don’t want to change.

It will bring some people over. But I doubt there will be a flood.

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The API and pricing bullshit would have had 0 impact to people that (somehow manage to) us the Reddit app.
It affected power users, mods and technically proficient people.

If communities have agreed to take a stance against musk/twitter/Nazis and Reddit overruled that, then I imagine an exodus of people that the API debacle didn’t affect.

But I don’t imagine it will be huge. Luckily, it will likely be decent people. So Reddit will slip more into a cesspool. And maybe more people will leave

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I hope he doesn’t. Most reddit users should just stay on reddit

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Alternatively, nobody should stay on Reddit.

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Honestly, I dont mind them making fedi instances. We have extremist instances barely anyone federates with, why not have the normies and liberalists have their own? They will probably go to threads anyway which we also defederated. I feel like every person (including musk, the orange and what other hitler wannabe comes next) should be on the fedi and be able to get fucking defederated by everyone. I feel like if that happened, we could finally move on from stateism to something more horizontal/federated but thats just a junior anarchists wet dream I guess.

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Why? I certainly would like to see more users here.

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hopefully not just lemmy.world cause

  1. terrible for lemmy
  2. terrible for them
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it won’t be long before the piggy little fuckboy starts sucking on musk’s nipple and issue some sort of ban to that movement. god it’s good to be off that site

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