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I just hope Wayland has its accessibility shit together before then. There are people that still need to use X11 for their accessibility needs.

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50 points

last time I checked, blind users could not even install any mainstream distro anymore, because they all switched to wayland, and that broke screen readers in the installer.

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34 points

Yeah. I’m sad to say that, about a year ago, I switched back to macOS because it handles accessibility waaaaay better. And I don’t even use screen readers. It sounds like their situation is even worse :/

I just need the ability to easily zoom in and out using Super+scroll up/down (without causing performance issues or visual jank) and trackpad gestures that aren’t extremely limited. Granted, both of these things may be more of a DE thing, but wherever the issue lies, I would like them fixed.

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12 points

KDE let’s you do that first one, though it’s ctrl+super. It’s one of my favourite lesser known features.

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linux developers only care about shit they themselves care about, powertripping and some stupid principles they made up, not about making a usable environment for everyone

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38 points

Fr, accessibility is def important and they’re not giving it enough attention

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20 points

GTK 4 released 9 years after GTK 3, so it’ll be quite some time before GTK 5. If Wayland doesn’t have better accessibility than X11 at that point it’d be time to give up on it as a project, and maybe desktop Linux as a whole.

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8 points

GTK+4 was released? When??

I’ve been compiling GTK+3 3.2x, the latest stable version about ten years ago and always wonder will they ever advance the major version. Years of installing XFCE4 and stuff and I always saw them pulling GTK+3 as a dependency. Never seen GTK+ marked 4 though.

To be fair I haven’t visited their official website for a while though.

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A lot of the non-GNOME GTK desktops have elected to stick with GTK3. They even maintain a suite of applications (Xapps) that many of them share.

GTK 4 and higher are increasingly GNOME only (not that you cannot run them elsewhere—they just won’t fit in).

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GTK 4 was released in 2020, they also dropped the plus from the name in 2019. GTK 4 is a big update and would be a pretty massive amount of work to switch to. I don’t know when, if ever, XFCE will switch to it.

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7 points

Also I’ve found some games that work fine in Wine under X11 and not in Wayland

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I really wish Wayland was more fleshed out & stable before all of this happened. Color management isn’t even yet finalized & putting accurate colors on the screen is like the most important part.

I really wish Arcan were further along.

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It actually was merged just few days ago, I mean the color management protocol

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1 point

til about arcan. how is it better than wayland?

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Arcan is a cool idea but you mostly hear about it from people complaining that Wayland is not ready. Of course, Wayland is already used by more than half of Linux users and Arcan does not really exist yet.

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1 point

i was more curious about the technical side of it

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We live in a wild world where people feel so confident about the wayland snake oil that they only added color in 2024!

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34 points

The future is now old man. KDE next.

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22 points

wayland

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21 points

wayland

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19 points

wayland

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2 points

It’s a shame because my 11yo laptop runs beautifully on X11 but terribly on Wayland with KDE. I hope the issues with Wayland optimization work out on my laptop before I’m forced to switch

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1 point

Wayland runs great on the four 10+ year old machines that I have tried it on. Oldest is 2009.

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The next laptop you’ll buy will be obsolete and broken before you’re forced to switch.

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16 points

I’m using a 49" monitor and dividing it up in virtual X11 monitors/screens for flexibility. Running a tiling window manager with lots of virtual desktops, but with fullscreen support separate monitors are still needed. Wayland are still missing the support for dividing up the display, which is probably the last thing keeping me on X11.

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23 points

I s2g im gonna become one of those psychos who runs the oldest Debian that still gets security updates behind a pfsense with whitelisting.

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32 points

You already said Debian. The rest is redundant.

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18 points

Please forgive me, as a Debian user I’m prone to senior moments and will soon have my driving license legally revoked.

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3 points

It’s okay. That’s how you know how stable we are.

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2 points

Stares in Debian Testing. (Though I use Bookworm on my laptop, probably soon to be Trixie. Nice thing about Trixie is I’ll no longer have to use the Backports kernel on my Thinkpad and can just stay on the LTS one.)

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I was looking for some excitement in my life so I installed Arch on my primary device.
I’m disappointed. I’ve had zero issues.
Okay, one issue, but I had that with Debian too. (recovering from sleep mode)

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