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I would steal this argument, but if it can be reposted here for free, then I don’t think anybody really owns it. 🤔

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This💯

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How does that work though if you rent a car? You don’t own it, but still stealing if you “steal” it.

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You’re preventing its use by someone else (assuming you bring it back in one piece).

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Piracy is like a digital photocopier to an NFT

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Seems I hit a nerve. I don’t disagree with what you’ve put. The biggest issue here is the fact they say purchase rather than rent. I’d much rather I purchase a movie and own it but that’s not the business model they offer. In reality, if the continue with their current model they should rename it.

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Heh, never thought of this argument.

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This is inaccurate. You are not buying it (the media), you are buying the right to stream it (as long as the seller provides the media as a stream). You don’t “buy” a movie unless you are paying for it’s ownership, which would be millions of dollars. For physical releases you buy the disk and the right to watch it under certain conditions (DRM). And you generally don’t have a right be able to “buy” or have access to all media.

But all that doesn’t automaticly make it amoral. this comment is gonna be downvoted to hell

edit: There are probably gonna be more responces, so this will address everything else I have to say. What I wrote is how things are legally, more or less. I don’t like that either. I do consider piracy stealing (under current laws) and morally right. Stealing is just not that great term for digital stuff. Please don’t try to (uselessly) sway me and don’t infight

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That’s kind of their point, because we are not in fact buying the media the argument is that piracy has some moral element. Put another way there is no option to own it outside of piracy.

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Yeah kinda, but there deosn’t need to be an option to own media. You are not entitled to that. It’s up to the creator/owner how to use/sell their things. It’s whole another question if it should be that way

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The entitlement comes from it existing, once you put something out there it belongs to the public forever. Laws around this are designed to create incentive but it does far more to lock out folks who could benefit/enjoy it but otherwise would never experience it. I don’t think you have a right to have the Mona Lisa in your house but you have a right to see reproductions forever and I want that for digital art too.

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I have no legal option to own you. Is it moral, then, for me to turn to illegal means to own you?

Now replace “you” with “content you created”, and tell me how it’s different.

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And replace “you” with an exploitive company that doesn’t give two shits about anything but making a number go up.

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A person vs art, that’s the line where our opinion would differ I guess. Art/media is part of the world/history and it feels wrong to lock out large parts of it essentially forever. Let us pay for things and have them, it’s that simple. Once it cannot be sold it should be publically available if someone who has it wants to make it so. But again this all crosses into opinion, you can’t own a person and be a good citizen at the same time but many pirates are productive members of society or couldn’t buy to begin with.

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this meme is a criticism of that. it shouldn’t be like that. if I buy a chair, I own the chair. I can then choose to sit on it, burn it, or give it to my neighbor, whatever. if I buy a movie, it’s suddenly not like that – but not because of some inherent quality that would make it impossible, but only because they say it is like that. but they have one weakness: it’s only like that if we actually stick to those rules. they’re all arbitrary anyway! we can therefore treat a bought movie just as it should be: a physical copy that we actually own. we can then decide to watch it, to lend it to our neighbor, to play it for everybody to see on the street, to cut it and remix it and do something new with it. will they come and claim we’ve “pirated” their media? yes of course, but this is nonsensical, dead law, that has to be broken again and again by just – ignoring it, and making it not so. if I buy a movie, I do own the movie, and the company that says otherwise can get fucked. that’s what this is about.

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Piracy is always stealing. Y’all can keep trying to spin it if it helps, but its pure copium.

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Is it stealing when they don’t lose anything?

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Well first of all, yes it is stealing to take something that does not belong to you. The definition of stealing is not beholden to the consequences of the actions itself.

Furthermore, if you pirate to avoid paying a subscription, then yes they are losing something. I’m a massive pirate. I steal all my media. I feel no guilt and I also have no delusions about what I am doing. I do it to save money.

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Sure, but there’s a huge difference between stealing a physical object and copying data without permission.

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For most of us sods it’s a choice between pirating content or not engaging in it at all. While the upper management of Sony or Disney might live in their profit-focused bubble, everyone else involved with a product would rather we actually participate in their patch of human culture.

But I’m happy to not watch your show or listen to your music, if my presence offends you.

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Entirely besides the point. As for the last point, that’s pretty funny😂 if you’re pirating it it literally makes no difference.

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And yet you still shared something. Those files exist. This is an extremely weak argument honestly.

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For physical releases you buy the disk and the right to watch it under certain conditions (DRM).

I’d like to point out German law (maybe this expands to EU and other countries) with traditional media.

Traditionally you bought movies and music on physical discs. You had a guaranteed right to be able to sell it to other people, as well as make personal copies of it for private use/backups.

DRM has always tried to oppose this right. And obviously, in the last decade(s) a lot went into service-oriented streaming and temporary access instead of owning even on a partial or theoretical level.

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Legally, piracy is not stealing. It is copyright infringement. That’s a totally different ball game with different implications.

While stealing even cheap items quickly lands you in legal hot water, just downloading (without uploading) doesn’t. I don’t know of a single case where someone got a significant fine or even a lawsuit for just downloading (and not redistributing) content.

The legal main difference between stealing and illegaly copying is that when you steal something it’s gone.

This changes the damages calculation a lot, since the only damage you caused by copying is the opportunity cost: Since you copied it, they didn’t sell it to you. But you might have already bought it in the meantime (then the damages 0), or you might have not bought it at all (then the damages are also 0).

Also, stealing is criminal law, while copyright is civil law, which makes it legally entirely different.

Looks nitpicky, but if you talk about current laws, nitpicky is the whole game.

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If I’ve bought the right to play the game, what’s “the game” that I’m entitled to if they decide to take away what makes it the thing I agreed to have access to?

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That is answered in the 95-page TOS

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There are lots of cars you can’t get parts for dude.

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There aren’t literally any cars that I can’t get parts for.

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