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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

last week’s thread

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Kelsey Piper continues to bluecheck:

Scott Alexander was accused of being secretly a right-wing racist and hiding it to avoid getting cancelled, and I think a bunch of his followers believed it, and now they’re shocked and hurt that he’s actually the sincere center left guy he said he was the whole time.

(Via.)

(For convenience: The leaked e-mails in which he admits to being secretly racist and hiding it to avoid getting cancelled. And his endorsement of super-racist Richard Lynn from last month.)

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really enjoying (?) the implication that anything less than extreme genocidal resentment is considered left of centre these days

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Anybody can be left of center if the overton window shifts enough far right. He doesnt want to sterilize ALL minorities so clearly he is an ally.

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Also, I don’t know that people are particularly concerned about the left/right spectrum as much as the explicitly racist and tacitly authoritarian sentiments. Like, if your vision of “the left” includes Scott, AOC, and Karl Marx then you have basically defined the left/right spectrum to be meaningless.

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Her talk of people being “desperate” for Scoot to be racist suggests a dismally gamified view of life. I mean, he’s a racist. However I feel about that, it doesn’t change the basic fact. She’s playing for a weird gotcha of some kind that could only ever make sense if you (a) regard writing as point-scoring and also (b) accept Richard Lynn-ism as science.

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The use of the word sincere here bothers me.

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Somebody pointed out that HN’s management is partially to blame for the situation in general, on HN. Copying their comment here because it’s the sort of thing Dan might blank:

but I don’t want to get hellbanned by dang.

Who gives a fuck about HN. Consider the notion that dang is, in fact, partially to blame for this entire fiasco. He runs an easy-to-propagandize platform due how much control of information is exerted by upvotes/downvotes and unchecked flagging. It’s caused a very noticeable shift over the past decade among tech/SV/hacker voices – the dogmatic following of anything that Musk or Thiel shit out or say, this community laps it up without hesitation. Users on HN learn what sentiment on a given topic is rewarded and repeat it in exchange for upvotes.

I look forward to all of it burning down so we can, collectively, learn our lessons and realize that building platforms where discourse itself is gamified (hn, twitter, facebook, and reddit) is exactly what led us down this path today.

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d’ya…d’ya think they’ll make it all the way along the path, to the realization?

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no

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The ones who walk towards Omelas. (And Omelas is fine actually, you damn hippy).

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Somewhat related I was thinking about how different this blog post from a DOGE “employee” reads during Elon Musks coup attempt: https://vinay.sh/i-am-rich-and-have-no-idea-what-to-do-with-my-life/ – it was discussed here but no one really knew what was coming at the time.

There’s also a youtube video which has been popping off on social media over the last week and is a gentle introduction to techno-fascists for the general public.

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wow the sanewashing of trump in those threads is insane

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Penny Arcade weighs in on deepseek distilling chatgpt (or whatever actually the deal is):

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“Wow, this Penny Arcade comic featuring toxic yaoi of submissive Sam Altman is lowkey kinda hot” is a sentence neither I nor any LLM, Markov chain or monkey on a typewriter could have predicted but now exists.

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The blue check reaction to the totally cracked treasury zoomers showcases a complete rejection of the importance of domain knowledge. It’s 10x software engineer syndrome metastasized.

They’re saying that the ice cream hair kid - who has never worked on a real world system because he’s STILL IN COLLEGE - is going to do us proud because he translated a greek scroll in high school? Good for him, but so what? Ben Carson split babies in half like Solomon and he’s still a moron.

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Don’t worry they will use ChatGPT to learn all the COBOL they need.

(One of my pet peeves in software is bad documentation (always fun when the comments and the documentation contradict, and after an hour of digging through the email archives you discover both are wrong, and nobody every cared to update either, as the email was enough), but lol if that is what saves the US gov (and look at how bad it has gotten, I’m rooting for the US gov now. If I ever want to be seen as worthwhile I will try to hire Musk to get mad at me, it worked for Zuck (a little bit))).

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Don’t worry they will use ChatGPT to learn all the COBOL they need.

Oh why would they. They will just rewrite it from scratch in a weekend, right? And reading the original code would only pollute the mind with historic knowledge, and that stands in the way of disruptive innovation.

(btw I appreciate your correctly nested parentheses.)

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(btw I appreciate your correctly nested parentheses.)

I once fucked those up and people got mad. (I kid, they pointed out I usually use them correctly). I mostly use parentheses to note that im going a bit offtrack, which keeps happening, it is a bad habit.

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I wonder if one of the reasons they’re so young is that’s the age you’d have to be to not realize in how much legal trouble they might be putting themselves in. (Bar an eventual pardon from Trump.)

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Also the age where you are easily impressed by a supposed genius, actual billionaire, ‘meme lord’ who sort of speaks your language (but due to your age you have not noticed only in the most shallow way), who showers you with attention. While also filled with the righteous fury of wanting to act on your ideology.

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in which karpathy goes “eh, fuckit”:

karpathy tweet text

There’s a new kind of coding I call “vibe coding”, where you fully give in to the vibes, embrace exponentials, and forget that the code even exists. It’s possible because the LLMs (e.g. Cursor Composer w Sonnet) are getting too good. Also I just talk to Composer with SuperWhisper so I barely even touch the keyboard. I ask for the dumbest things like “decrease the padding on the sidebar by half” because I’m too lazy to find it. I “Accept All” always, I don’t read the diffs anymore. When I get error messages I just copy paste them in with no comment, usually that fixes it. The code grows beyond my usual comprehension, I’d have to really read through it for a while. Sometimes the LLMs can’t fix a bug so I just work around it or ask for random changes until it goes away. It’s not too bad for throwaway weekend projects, but still quite amusing. I’m building a project or webapp, but it’s not really coding - I just see stuff, say stuff, run stuff, and copy paste stuff, and it mostly works.

skipping past the implicit assumption of “well, just have a bunch of money to be able to keep throwing the autoplag at the wall until something sticks”, the admissions of not giving a single fuck about anything, and the straight and plain “well, it often just doesn’t work like we keep promising it does”, imagine being this fucking incurious and void of joy

I’m left wondering if this bastard is running through the stages of grief (at being thrown out), because this sure as fuck reads like despair to me

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So after billions of investment, and gigawatt-hours of energy, it’s now “not too bad for throwaway weekend projects”. Wow, great. Let’s fire all the programmers already!

Apart from whatever the fuck that process is, it is not engineering.

And to think that people hated on Visual Basic once… in comparison to this stuff, it was the most solid of solid foundations.

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So after billions of investment, and gigawatt-hours of energy, it’s now

on the level of a ‘build your own website’ site. They are the wysiwyg users now.

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that’d be easily terawatt-hours i think. just musk’s server farm’s generators are 100MW, and draw who knows how much from grid, and if it runs for a year and two months at that power that’s 1TWh. and there’s google, ms, amazon, whatever chinese are cooking,

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This reinforces my judgment that the ultimate customers for code-completion models are people who don’t actually want to be writing code in the first place.

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I ask for the dumbest things like “decrease the padding on the sidebar by half” because I’m too lazy to find it

this is so much slower (in both keystrokes and raw time, not to mention needing to re-prompt) and much more expensive than just going into the fucking CSS and pressing the 3 buttons needed to change the padding for that selector, and the only reason why this would ever be hard is because they’re knee deep in LLM generated slop and they can’t find fucking anything in there. what a fucking infuriating way to interact with a machine.

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come on don’t you like waiting 1s+ for every single action you ever want to take? it’s the hot new thing

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React has entered the chat (don’t try talking to it yet though, it has to “asynchronously” load every individual UI element in the jankiest way possible)

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