Israeli officials suggested that the increased military aid was part of a deal to get Netanyahu to agree to the Gaza ceasefire deal. Trump’s envoy for the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, has said he’s pushing for the full implementation of the agreement, but the ceasefire is very fragile as Netanyahu doesn’t want to implement the second phase.

16 points

This will bring down the price of eggs.

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ah yes the age old solution of giving killers weapons so they stop killing. never fails.

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Actually, it’s $1 billion in NERF weapons.

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Ah yes, giving Netanyahu even more bombs is totally the right way to bring about a ceasefire and definitely won’t just lead to more Palestinians getting blown up.

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9 points

People who refused to vote for Harris because of her stance on Israel - THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED!

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10 points

lol thats still less than what the democrats were giving to them. but a completely different reaction now that blue maga isnt the ones doing it.

you should stop having US political parties as your identity because they are all fascists.

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48 points

No one forced the democrats to do this:

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8 points

No one stopped them either. Dems and Repub leaders both want this

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-11 points

Just wait until you heat what Trump just said. That graph but for trumps real estate empire in "Israel "

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17 points

As ever, BlueMAGA liberals care more about what crimes Trump hasn’t committed than the ones Democrats have.

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The only difference between Harris and Trump is that the latter can’t keep his gaping orange maw shut. Well maybe she would have put in a few more military bases instead of casinos.

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-7 points

Tell that to trans kids, women who need abortions, minorities being fired as “DEI hires”, and immigrants in concentration camps.

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4 points

Stop using us (trans people) as a scapegoat for your bad politics. I’d appreciate that greatly.

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she did nothing but indicate her intentions to do the exact same thing, just as biden before her

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9 points

The war in Gaza is happening regardless of who is president

how is it therefore the fault of people who didn’t vote then?

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I think they pretty clearly wanted the Democratic party to stop arming Israel, which did not happen, and probably wouldn’t have happened if they were elected, either, given they made no promises on it and gave no real indications of course correction.

This is like if the guy on watch duty on the Titanic spent a year screaming about how they’re heading directly for an iceberg, the captain did nothing, and then got mad at the guy on watch when the iceberg sank the ship.

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It’s almost like nothing would change no matter who won and Israel was just a political pawn to help Trump win.

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Wow, I can’t believe people weren’t more motivated to vote for “nothing will change no matter who wins.” Truly nobody could have foreseen and warned of this.

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32 points

There was no distinction between the candidates on this issue. Biden just sent $8 billion in arms less than a month ago. There were plenty differences between candidates, but this is not one.

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-18 points

Agreed. It was always just a way to manipulate democratic voters.

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22 points

It was a hill Biden & the democrats didn’t need to die on. The last year in Gaza was inexcusable and gaslighting potential voters was embarrassing. Shame on the democrats for making genocide a wedge issue

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7 points

Manipulate? Trump is so 40000 IQ that he forced Biden to look like a fucking puppet on the world stage, giving in to every single one of netanyahu’s demands.

Trump WAS the harm reduction candidate, he got a ceasefire brokered before he was fucking president. All while Biden was licking israel’s asshole begging for scraps.

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Just curious, if Kamala did the same arms transfer shortly after getting elected; how would you respond or what would you do?

Would you assure others that she is working tirelessly on a ceasefire despite her vow to always give them the ability to defend themselves?

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-17 points

As I have said before Israel was irrelevant to the election as neither candidate was going to act differently. It was only used as a weapon by conservatives to strip votes from Harris.

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19 points

If genocide isn’t negotiable for your party, maybe you should find a new one.

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17 points

You mean it was a lay up for Harris she refused to capitalize on because she personally received too much money in bribes.

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The people who told Democrats for months to change position were Democrats and people who worked in the democratic party, some of whom did so for decades.

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/24/nx-s1-5086924/the-dnc-didnt-let-a-palestinian-american-speak-the-uncommitted-movement-took-note

June Rose, the sole “uncommitted” delegate from Rhode Island, also said it was incorrect to assume the delegation members come from the fringes of the Democratic Party.

“We are Democratic professionals. I’m the chief of staff of the Providence City Council. I’ve made my career helping to elect Democrats and defeat Republicans who pose incredible risk to the future of our country,” the 29-year-old told Al Jazeera.

“But my relationship with the party will never supersede my relationship with my values, and in this case, my values and my party are in direct conflict.”

Rose named Eileen Abu Odeh, a toddler killed with her family in an Israeli air raid in Gaza, during the roll call. They explained the delegation’s presence at the Democratic National Convention can serve as a gut check for the party, as it prepares to chart a course forward on foreign policy.

“Our party cannot just make this week a celebration, and I think that that’s the tone that many in our party want to take,” Rose said. “But that celebration would be on the graves of innocent children who’ve been slaughtered.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/17/uncommitted-delegates-bring-gaza-war-message-to-democratic-convention

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I’m asking out of genuine curiosity, what are they doing besides shaming others? What’s done is done - we are here now.

If they had constructive or productive intentions it could apply to the current moment even with Trump in office.

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If enough people voted, the Democrats would have given people free health care, stopped financing wars, torture and genocide, improve public transit, boost public education, and lowered the cost of groceries. If only enough people voted for the Democrats, they could be in power and bring change. They just need a super majority to install a welfare state and turn into pacifists. Of course!

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I get your sarcasm, but let’s be clear - Dems have had a supermajority 3 times in the past 25 years, and we got none of this shit. They’re full of crap when it comes to fulfilling campaign promises. Wish we could say the same for republicans.

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But is that worse than what has happened and is going to happen now that its been given to the right?

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The Democrats had a filibuster proof trifecta for 73 days in 2009 and they passed Obamacare. Republicans spent the next decade trying to destroy it. I’m not saying Dems would do all of what you said, but when they are given the chance they move things in the right direction.

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Fuck off you disgusting piece of shit. Imagine being such a dumb fucking cunt you attempt to scold random voters for the Democrats decision to support genocide and claim it’s their fault somehow.

Hey, dipshit, who kept signing off on arms shipments the past fucking year? Hey dipshit, who declared a redline in Rafah only for nothing to happen? Who gave a deadline of 30 days for aid to increase, nothing improved, then they just meekly announced they weren’t doing shit as punishment?

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Personal attacks aside, yes it is the fault of voters for Trump getting into office. That’s how elections work.

Democrats wouldn’t stop the war. Republicans wouldn’t stop the war. It was irrelevant to the choice of who to elect.

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How elections work is that political parties work to earn votes of the base they want to represent.

It’s wild how moronic dipshits like you who talk down to others about “hOw ElEctIOnS WoRk” never hold political parties responsible for the choices they made about how they campaign and why, and the policies they follow, and instead blame random nobodies asked to tick a box every 4 fucking years.

Hey, dipshit, who forced Democrats to literally commit themselves to genocide? This isn’t a minor quibble over tax policy, like 5 vs 10% tax rate, this lis* literal genocide*, mass murder of an ethnic people directly supported by Biden and the Democrats. They were told for a year by their own base this was not going to win them votes, and they ignored it. Your response is to literally claim we just needed to factor in literal fucking genocide as a given. You are a monstrously disgusting piece of shit. The perfect embodiment of the racist liberal. Brown people do not matter to you for anything except as a performative cudgel to vote shame people over the Democratic parties policy and campaign choices, something no one else made them do. Rather than hold them responsible, your dumb fucking ass is still online doing the same tired bullshit of insisting it’s everyone elses fault except the people who have actual fucking power and actual decision making capacity to change shit.

Here’s how democracy works dumbass. A political party puts forward a set of policies about issues x, y and z. Voters express their preferences and concerns about them and other issues. A party then has 2 options: change policy and campaigning in response to those concerns, or articulate why their policies would be better.

So you tell me, Mr Elections Understander, what happens when voters express for over a year they don’t like a central policy that has dominated the news, but the party tells them to fuck off repeatedly? Is that a good strategy for an election to win votes, to tell people concerned about literal genocide to shut up because “I’m speaking”? Is it a good strategy to tell voters they need to just accept genocide will happen, that they need to factor it in like it’s 2% fucking inflation?

But sure, you hitch your wagon to the Democrats didn’t have to do anything differently. It’s everyone elses fault they committed themselves to genocide. It’s everyone elses fault that something that literally every competent campaign manager would have told you, that ignoring and overriding your own base on issues they care about, whilst spending the entire campaign trying to appeal to people who hate you with “but we can be racist and do genocide too!!!” could be a losing strategy.

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Well it’s certainly an improvement over the eight billion the Dems just sent.

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Trump has 4 years to catch up. He has to fund his plan to remove all Gazans.

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12 points

Maybe. But there’s a big difference between what Trump might do in the future and what the Democrats have already actually done for real.

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10 points

Yes this is a lot less than Biden sent.

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He’s got 4 years to catch up. After all he has to fund the removal of all Gazans he proposed.

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What I want is to replace First-past-the-post voting with STAR voting.

Imagine all the time you’d save from not having to go to every single thread to blame people literally unrepresented in government for the democrats failures.

Videos on Electoral Reform

First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.

STAR voting

Alternative vote

Ranked Choice voting

Range Voting

Single Transferable Vote

Mixed Member Proportional representation

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And you would only be able to pass voting reform through democrats.

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7 points

Have you considered the possibility that this is not what people who voted against KKKlansmala wanted, but trump did it anyway?

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-1 points

He was very open where he stands, and even was complaining that Israel did not wipe Palestine faster.

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10 points

Trump isnt open on anything. He says something then the opposite and then agree with both statements. This isnt an exception. He said some of the most inhumane shit about the palestinians i ever heard, and he also criticized Netanyahu harder than any potus ever did. If you say he is clear about this issue, please teach us because the rest of the world cant say the same. And to add some context, 1b is a very rookie number, to say at least. Biden did 8b a few days ago in a single move. Idk if hes testing the waters with the american public and will subsequently give more or if he is giving a farewell kiss to israel and wont send a penny from now on, but theres 0 chance any potus could go without paying tribute to aipac, even if meager

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8 points

Rare earth minerals in Israel?

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Israels export economy is mostly diamonds and intelligence services honed via their genocide. So yes, but they also have the pee tapes.

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3 points

He wants a new hotel.

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Well what do you know… lots of real estate just opened up!

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