• Broadcom BCM2712 2.4GHz quad-core 64-bit Arm Cortex-A76 CPU, with cryptography extensions, 512KB per-core L2 caches and a 2MB shared L3 cache
  • VideoCore VII GPU, supporting OpenGL ES 3.1, Vulkan 1.2
  • Dual 4Kp60 HDMI® display output with HDR support 4Kp60 HEVC decoder
  • LPDDR4X-4267 SDRAM (4GB and 8GB SKUs available at launch)
  • Dual-band 802.11ac Wi-Fi®
  • Bluetooth 5.0 / Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)
  • microSD card slot, with support for high-speed SDR104 mode
  • 2 × USB 3.0 ports, supporting simultaneous 5Gbps operation
  • 2 × USB 2.0 ports
  • Gigabit Ethernet, with PoE+ support (requires separate PoE+ HAT)
  • 2 × 4-lane MIPI camera/display transceivers
  • PCIe 2.0 x1 interface for fast peripherals (requires separate M.2 HAT or other adapter)
  • 5V/5A DC power via USB-C, with Power Delivery support
  • Raspberry Pi standard 40-pin header
  • Real-time clock (RTC), powered from external battery
  • Power button
47 points

I’ve got to wonder, am I the only one that wishes these things came with PoE support out of the box without needing an addon? I can’t even find a competitor that supports PoE without needing an extra PoE HAT.

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Tbh, POE isn’t a feature most people need. And it’s quite expensive, takes up a lot of room, and generates quite a bit of heat.
You can get inline POE extractors that spit out 5v usb/jack or 12 jack. I use them quite a lot, and they are much cheaper than PoE hats

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Yeah I just hate all the extra clutter the extractor adds. It’s really nice to just run some cat 6 to a Pi and call it a day. If I could spend an extra $50 to get a Pi or Pi-like device that came with PoE built in I would in a heartbeat.

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I know what you mean.
The problem is, actual POE powered computers end up being commercial display drivers or embedded/industrial systems. And that means a significant increase in price.

These devices are often plugged into things that require power. At which point, you can just power it locally. So the added cost and complication of POE isn’t worth it.

Chances are, a lot of the things you are trying to do don’t need a full SBC and Linux. But I don’t know your situation.
Something like this: https://www.dfrobot.com/product-1286.html
Or this.
https://www.robotpark.com/Arduino-Ethernet-Microcontroller-With-PoE-Power-over-Ethernet-V3

If it’s something like a screen/touchscreen interface, theres already power there…
But you could use an android TV, there are some that are POE powered, but most displays have a power source these days.

Things like Bluetooth or whatever, you can probably get off-the-shelf extenders or repeaters.

I’d love it if it was more common, gives an easy way to remotely power cycle devices. But the ridiculous extra cost that PoE enabled general purpose devices come with just isn’t worth it for me.

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5 points

PoE runs on 48V, it’s nontrivial to get that down to levels usable by a microprocessor.

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It’s really not, you have a buck reg on board already, it’s just the peripherals that need 5v and for a lot of that you can use linear regs.

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Yeah there’s a buck regulator on board, but the caps for it are far too tiny for 48V. The ones you need are much bigger.

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It’s not free, but it’s not really that hard either. You can even get fancy and use isolated power for some extra safety.

I’d like to see some more specialized versions of these boards. For instance one that trades the MIPI ports (which I have literally never found a use for) for PoE or some other feature that’s more useful in a networking centric use case. In many cases I’d even be willing to give up a USB port for that.

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Yeah well, that’s like the whole area for the USB and Ethernet plugs taken up. You also definitely want an isolated one for a device that’s supposed to be used by end users.

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Olimex had a ARM board with POE, if I remember correctly… though I cannot find it atm. Here’s an ESP based instead: https://www.olimex.com/Products/IoT/ESP32/ESP32-POE/open-source-hardware

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23 points

Looking forward to finding one in a store right around the time the RPi 6 is released.

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rpilocator.com.

Haven’t had trouble finding one in quite some time.

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I didn’t think they were that hard to find at the moment, I saw 5 or 6 CanaKits in Best Buy last week.

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1 point

The 4?

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Yeah, the Pi 4 seems to be the only model Best Buy stocks.

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I preordered on DigiKey.

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Hopefully they can address the stock issues but I’m not holding my breath. Would’ve also liked to see full-sized HDMI.

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Was the 4 difficult to obtain when it was released? Cause the vendor I’m looking at (digi-key) claims to have about 5,000 in stock right now.

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The 4 was impossible to find until, like, four months ago. I’ve been subscribed to six stock notification services for three years and only got my hands on a Pi 4 this year (and it’s not even the model I wanted!). The pandemic was nuts, but things seem to have stabilised.

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I think I’ve personally hit the point where PIs are like phones, there’s nothing new that I actually need but a handful of things that looks handy. Never thought I’d be excited about (effectively) a bios battery.

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