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Comprehensive sex ed teaches students how to say no. It teaches them what to look out for if some creep is trying to groom them.

Conservatives prefer their victims to be naive.

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It also teaches kids that there is such a thing as an unforgivable action, IE that it is not just their right to, but bordering on their duty to set and enforce boundaries that they have the right to cut people out of their lives for breaching.

There is nothing conservatives fear more in this world than the idea of something that can permanently earn them the judgement and condemnation of others. To be judged by the content of their character, and that alone.

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And that it isn’t the fault of the one in a position of power when they rape, but the naive one.

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And not just for sexual assault, sexual shame is openly praticed as a mind control mechanism

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You got that right.

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86 points

Religion.

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You should be 18 or older to attend any religious event. Our youth have been indoctrinated long enough.

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I can’t think of a rule more likely to drive children into religion than banning children from religion.

Couple that with the very natural existential crisis moment kids have when they really start thinking about their own mortality and you’ve got a recipe for another religious Great Awakening.

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say religions are doing great at driving the next generations away by doing whatever they’ve been doing.

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Not following. Why would banning children from religion drive children into religion? You think teenagers would “rebel” by going going to Church or studying a fake book? Lol.

All kids become porn stars because porn is banned for children. Sound logic there champ.

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I know this is probably not going to be a popular take but honestly that seems pretty distopian as in many cases it’s pretty hard to separate religion from culture so are you really going to force a Hindu family to feed their kids beef cuz they aren’t old enough to practice a religion that happens to be a part of their Indian culture I know amarica has failed a lot at being the land of the free but this just seems like a step in the wrong direction

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No. What you do in your own home (to an extent) is your own family business. Just like letting a 15 year old try alcohol at home is reasonable in my opinion. It should be illegal to indoctrinate your children into religion (outside of your home).

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There are areligious people who are nevertheless puritanical.

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Sure, but they’re just victims of cultural spillover from religion. It’s all rooted in religion.

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I respectfully disagree. It’s rooted in patriarchy, which utilizes religion as a method of systemic reinforcement. There are plenty of religions that aren’t sexually repressive.

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I suspect this as well. Most people alive today were born into a highly religious culture. 85% of America was Christian in 200 and it was even higher the farther back you go

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I have an acquaintance who, if anyone ever talks about the subject of sex Ed around, he will insist that they will just teach the kids about blood play and it will spread STDs.

So that’s the level of logic we may be dealing with here.

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I have a reaallly stupid niece-in-law who prefers to keep her daughter from hanging out with her little cousin (my grand-daughter) because my daughter taught her own daughter that it’s called a vagina and not a tee-tee or what-ever-the-fuck the niece-in-law insists on calling it. She literally does not want her daughter exposed to the word ‘vagina’. I think the world of my nephew, but his wife can kick rocks…

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When my child was young a doctor told me that if a child is sexually abused and doesn’t use the proper words to describe their genitals the chance of conviction drops drastically.

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Isolation is how abuse happens.

Isolating children from the knowledge they can use to express how and if their boundaries are crossed only serves predators.

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I said something similar on r/politics on Reddit and they banned me for homophobia. I was like WTF?

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I feel like there must be a lot of context missing there.

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There really wasn’t. I said kids need sex education at a young age so they know what a ‘bad touch’ is and I was banned for homophobia out of the blue. And when I tried to get a clarification, they muted me.

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Knowing reddit these days, probably not

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The context is that the mods of r/politics have long had a reputation for being inconsistent and erratic in various ways.

Obviously I don’t actually know the full context, but it strikes me as utterly plausible given the likelihood of a report by someone who disagreed with them and a mod team prone to shooting from the hip

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The context is that reddit is run by nazi sympathizers.

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Reddit’s ran by nazis

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Reddit is dumb like that

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And that, indeed, is the purpose.

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I understand why books that tell kids about sex are causing conservative parents to freak out, because conservative parents hold a bizarre belief that everyone has to just pretend sex isn’t happening all around the world all the time. For some reason, this totally normal part of life must never, ever be discussed openly, and kids especially must for some reason believe in storks until a certain age.

I think conservative parents are only afraid of teaching kids about sex because they’re afraid of sex.

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I also have a suspension they don’t want the kids able to identify the inappropriate sexual abuse they are committing on the kids, startling how often these uptight cunts end up being pedos.

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I think they fear sex because it involves a certain cutting lose and abandonment of yourself. When you’re accustomed to a simple and rigid structure based on simple rules, this freedom can be experienced as a pretty deep and fundamentally frightening discomfort.

When your whole life is spent feeling so tight and wound up because you’re basically walking a clearly black-and-white tightrope, this freedom probably feels straight up Satanic to some of them.

Remember, religious folks do not hold rationality as the highest measure of something, and you probably wouldn’t either if you hadn’t been trained in the skill. It has its uses, but there’s much more important measures in their world. Life is not supposed to make complete sense to them, ever. This is why God works so often in “mysterious ways” and remains a father figure to be heeded and honored, moreso than a subject to be considered or pondered fairly.

edit: Just occured to me, but it’s akin to an ex-con who gets out of prison but has to deal with being institutionalized, where they became accustomed to that simple, rigid life and don’t remember how to live in the regular world. Now, they were once free men. How much harder would it have been had they been born into that simple, rigid institution?

They’re all Shawshank Redemptioned. Like Brooks. Like Morgan Freeman was probably gonna be, if not for his friend.

Veterans experience something like this as well, when they try to retire from the army and come home from war. They often struggle to adapt back into our extreme levels of freedom and nonchalance.

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This analysis is pretty thorough compared to what I’m used to, and throws a lot of hypotheses out there… but I would hypothesize this way, too. Unless you have sources you’d like to share? Don’t mean to be intimidating or argumentative–I think what you’re saying is true, but I’m still curious of the (sociological? psychological?) science behind it.

As an aside, I feel so bad for some people (like childhood victims of sexual abuse).

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Valid questions. No, I’m no professional, nor have I studied in this field. This is personal opinion based on my own anecdotal experiences.

I suspect there probably is a more rigorous exploration of this idea somewhere, we can’t be the first people to notice the commonalities. But I am not qualified to process or judge the studies, and I do know that social science work is particularly challenging due to the difficulties of cramming people into laboratories and performing conclusive experimentation upon them.

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Idk, where I’m from, sex ed is minimal and abstinence only, parents can still pull kids out of it and the bulk of parents that do had their first child before age sixteen.

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Grandmother by 30

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Yes. And want to seem surprised.

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