I’m not from the US so all of this is baffling. In Europe and even South America there’s tons of mechanisms to stop that from happening, and this kind of meddling would seriously result in arrests. However this is happening in the US with these people going completely unchecked. How is that even possible?!

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Good question, as an American, I’m all for these fucks being the first against the wall.

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They are a real department. The USDS.

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Commonwealth countries have a cabinet system of govt.

Minsters are selected by the cabinet from members of parliament. Departments are closed, opened and altered all the time when there is a ministerial reshuffle ordered by the cabinet.

Any minister could run this sort of operation in their department without palrliamentary approval, and the cabinet could do so for the whole govt (and frequently do).

The US has a presidential form of govt. The presidental office is separate from the parliament. Minsters are appointed by the president and must not be members of parliament.

But the president can’t just choose anyone - they must be members of their political party and they must be elected through a series of member elections and state executive decisions.

The issue here is not that DOGE cannot operate under a minister, its that the president cannot order a political outsider to undertake the duties of a minister properly elected through party processes.

BTW, no such limitaion exists in France - the French president can appoint anyone as minister, they don’t even need to be a French citizen or a residnet in France ! Macron attempted to do this recently but had to back down when the parliament blocked money bills.

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twice the orange shit was impeached, and the republicans did not remove him from office.

then the orange shit was found guitly of 34 felonies and was let off the hook. technically convicted but no punishment.

the systems, checks and balances that should have prevented this situation were tried, but congress / senate did not hold him accountable and punish him. they figured they would end up with more power and money if they let him do what he wanted and so are letting him.

that’s basically it. unless there’s some sort of miracle (and i really doubt there will be) democracy is over in the united states. you just watched the grand old experiment fail.

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Not to mention he basically gave any of his followers a get out of jail free card to do violent crime. Do my bidding, I will pardon you. And then pointed toward the gay/Mexicans/trans/non white male communities.

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So, it isn’t the exact same situation, but just as a reminder: von Papen, the conservative guy who ultimately put Hitler into power, initially thought he’d be savvy and cede only “not that important” posts to Hitler and the NSDAP. After all, a silly, comically insane upstart like Hitler would be easily outmanoeuvred by knowing the law and how statecraft works, right?

Well, the Nazis just used those posts in illegal ways, overstepped their official authority and refused to report to von Papen at all (whom they should at that point have been subservient to) - knowing full well no one was going to stop them anyway. Shortly thereafter, von Papen was out and Hitler was chancellor.

Von Papen managed to live until 1969, and wrote an autobiography that was derided by historians for having a terribly naive lack of understanding politics, lack of principles and being full of vanity.

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It’s good to be a king, and that’s what Trump is now. The people in charge of defending us from this took the money instead.

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