What was John F. Kennedy referring to when he said “a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy”?

The President and the Press: Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association, April 27, 1961

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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

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Russian and Chinese communism

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This could be as easily applied to the people who killed JFK

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From his wording, I’d think it probably did/does.

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With out any diligence this makes more sense and likely why they assassinated him.

Remember folks tupac was in killed in las vagas and killer was never found.

Brian Thompson the United Health Parasite was denied a claim to life in NYC and some how they found some rich Chad as a fall guy 🤡

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How do you know that? Seriously asking.

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In the quote he says he’s talking about the Cold War.

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He makes reference to it, but also speaks of some kind of opposition from “around the world” that was working on “expanding its sphere of influence”. He also described this thing as operating in secret, not out in the open. Was Russia operating secretly? (I don’t know much about the Cold War.)

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Said the normie almost reflexively without doing any critical thinking 🤡

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I’m not going to debate you, but I will laugh at you.

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Who are “they”?

Russian and Chinese communism

Yes, both have been forms of authorities rules.

And in light of OP’s question. To me “they” are all the authoritarians; both the extreme left and right winged.

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He’s talking about the Soviet Union. This would have been clear to anyone at the time. Conspiracy just means more than one person working together.

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It was mostly before my time, so I don’t have that kind of insight. When I read it, it sounds to me a lot like what we see happening in the U.S. today.

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He was talking about the Soviet Union. Don’t they teach this very basic history in school?

Who do you think was conducting the ‘Cold War’ in the last sentence?

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If he was talking about nothing more than the Soviet Union, why didn’t he simply say ‘we are opposed around the world by the Soviet Union’? Seems like a very complicated way of saying Soviet Union. And no, the schools I went to didn’t teach about covert global conspiracies, the likes of which John F. Kennedy was clearly warning us against here.

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Well, back then it was the Soviets, and now quite a lot of what we see in the west is being guided by the hand of Putin, so it basically is the same thing happening all over again.

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What I’m trying to get at is 1) Exactly what this thing is that JFK was talking about; and 2) Whether this precise thing has continued to exist since JFK’s time up to today. With the very elaborate way JFK was speaking, it sounds to me like it had to involve more than just the Soviets, and not like something that would have easily and suddenly died off. But I suspect you must be right, that the Soviets were and obviously are significantly involved still. Maybe I’m just asking an impossible question.

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Worth remembering that Putin practically grew up in the KGB.

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Bookmark worthy, thanks!

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He was talking about worldwide communism. This was during the Cold War and no one would even think America was an oligarchy at the time. The audience knew it was the Soviets he was talking about primarily.

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It’s pretty funny to see this thread filled with wrong answers by lemmy.world users and those same smuglibs downvoting anyone that suggests otherwise when it’s pretty universally accepted that he was killed by the CIA.

The CIA even did a distinctive CIA-style cleanup job , eliminating all parties with knowledge of the hit afterward.

What for many years seemed unthinkable has turned out to be true after all.

There was a CIA cover-up. The CIA did suppress information. The CIA did stonewall both of the official government investigations of the JFK assassination. And as a consequence of this Agency misconduct, both investigations were compromised in important respects-particularly in regard to the fundamental issues of whether the assassination resulted from a conspiracy and whether Lee Harvey Oswald (alleged to be the sole assassin in the Warren Report and alleged to be one of multiple assassins in the Report of the House Assassinations Committee) was affiliated with the CIA.

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So you’re saying JFK was referring to the CIA when he talked about a “monolithic and ruthless conspiracy” from around the world?

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Yes. They did, after all, assassinate him.

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I was thinking almost the same but in addition I’d add the whole Cold War, because from the URSS, the KGB used to do analog things but IMO with less effectiveness and judged more harshly, maybe because the International agreement were naive and powerless against the USA.

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it seems like you didn’t quite get the responses you were hoping for.

i appreciate your questioning and attempt to reframe the JFK speech in a modern context. it makes sense to me that he might have been speaking about some underground conspiracy which is still in operation today.

👍

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