Remember when we told everyone what he was going to do and millions of voters told us we were fearmongering, lying, exaggerating, or that he “didn’t mean it”?
I used to love being right. Now I fucking hate it.
People were mad at the status quo. When times are shit, change can seem attractive.
Even if in reality the change presented by Trump only makes shit worse.
You can do both. I regularly slap down mofos who say “I didn’t vote to lose (government subsidies they need to survive)”
Oh yes you did! brings up the section of project 2025 that brutally guts said subsidies
Genuine and serious question: Where does that get you?
As good as it may feel to call these people out for their ignorance and stupidity (and yes, they were very ignorant and very stupid), what is it actually doing to help stop Trump’s agenda right now?
Telling them off might feel good, and right, and incredibly justified, but it’s not going to win people over.
What America needs right now is a mass movement against Trump’s agenda, and a big part of building that movement is going to have to be reaching out to those people who are disgusted with the reality of Trump’s agenda and bringing them into the fold, even if they helped put it in motion in the first place.
So what’s your communication approach, then? Remaining ignorant piles of shit won’t exactly make them change their minds, either.
Where did I say I’m calling them ignorant and stupid?
They say, "I didn’t vote for [x]
I tell them calmly, “Yes you did, because of [y] in Project 2025. They said they would do it, they even printed the manual.”
I’ve been fucking Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park for the better part of a decade by this point and damn do I hate being right all the time
Remember when we told Democrats if they ran Kamala she would lose and she did?
Remember when we told Democrats if they ran Kamala she would lose and she did?
Literally no. I remember a good ~8 months of “Run ANYONE except Biden, even Kamala, and I’ll totally fall in line and vote against fascism pinky-promise” that went silent once Biden was actually replaced, though.
Maybe you need a different echo chamber? Just like I told people that gen z and the podcast bros weren’t guaranteed votes. And Hispanic and black males… It’s just like when you guys told us “Bernie wasn’t cheated at the dnc and if he was cheated he wouldn’t have won anyway.” 🙄
Breaking News: Americans are idiots
It’s obviously pretty stupid, but we shouldn’t act like the Americans are especially dumb, this is happening all over the globe.
People see: “economy is bad” so people vote out whoever is in power and vote in whoever screams the loudest that they have a magical fix. I would be shocked if the average trump, AFD etc. voter spends more then 15 minutes researching their vote (outside the endless stream of political content on yt and tiktok).
True, only with Trump we already had a round of him trying to run us into the ground while trying to sell off everything not bolted down, while also golfing like he was on the PGA tour (quantity NOT quality), and up-charging his secret service detail and foreign “reps” that stayed at all his properties and funneling all that illegal money back into his coffers while funding everything he did on tax payer dollars.
But yeah, he was clearly the choice to “stick it to the man”.
It’s obviously pretty stupid, but we shouldn’t act like the Americans are especially dumb, this is happening all over the globe.
Is it really, though? Which other first-world country would you say is even remotely as far down the rabbit hole of idiocy as the USA?
Argentina, Brazil, Germany to an extent, France is flirting with it, Italy, the Netherlands (my country) is fucking around and finding out, Hungary has been at it since before it was cool, Indonesia elected a literal was criminal. And that’s all the cases I know about.
Canada has also been flirting with it, and UK kind of already did it in a different way. There’s probably quite a few more. I’m glad you’re at least bringing up the diversity of these populations; even Russia has some good citizens ultimately hopeless at situations that are out of their control (although US has some ways to go before they round up all dissonance).
Oh please, for instance AfD got 20% of the vote, and have no real power, because Germany has an actually functioning democracy.
But yes we hear a lot of warnings against AfD, because they are like MAGA, difference is they can’t disrupt everything with lies like in USA. Because in EU you have responsibility when using your freedom of speech. You can’t parrot some idiot making history falsification, ands claim you are just “reporting” it. Unfortunately the old East Germany is unhappy with the state of things, and want to go back to before the country was split. Which means they want Nazi Germany back.
this is happening all over the globe.
This is textbook false equivalence.
Exactly. Americans are very quick to deflect and turn to whataboutism when held responsible for their actions.
Did we though? There was a whole lot of legally cheating (gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc.) and maybe some not so legal cheating as well by his election and judge minions.
It doesn’t really matter imo, fascism is not something that necessarily gets voted in or out of power. Its a symptom of and reaction to systemic failures that attempts to preserve capitalism by whatever means necessary. It isn’t something brought about by individuals or imposed upon the public.
Name one other person that could do the things trump is doing. No one is that ballsy, has that much fan base, or is in bed with Putin the way he is.
It doesn’t really matter imo, fascism is not something that necessarily gets voted in or out of power. Its a symptom of and reaction to systemic failures that attempts to preserve capitalism by whatever means necessary.
This old canard. God forbid problems have any other causes. Loop it all back to capitalism, like evangelicals seeing Satan everywhere.
Because the average American is a moron.
Wrong, the average American is purposefully undereducated and sheltered from the world.
While education and public services that promote education are being funded less, the average American has access to the internet via a computer or smartphone.
Yes, you still need to be educated on knowing how to do proper research, but a simple search of, “how do I research” gives some good results.
At this point, people just want to think they’re right and never check other viewpoints or even look at themselves and why they believe their own beliefs. In my opinion it’s a culturally inherent thing about “rugged individualism” instead of anything about a failing education system.
Finally, being empathetic towards other races and cultures takes 0 education. And if you want to know if you’re on the right or wrong side of something, it takes barely any effort to search and learn about it.
Yes certainly but the general population are not morons and calling them that is defeatism. The rugged individualism bit sucks ass and you’re damn right but that can be worked on. I take offense at diminishing the public to idiots is all.
That’s a very simplistic view of the world you’ve got there. Even just googling how to research varies from person to person thanks to algorithms. People are also actively being misled, since everyone has a social media addiction and are easy to reach with elevated posts with no accountability.
You’re also ignoring the very human problem of confirmation bias, something that everyone has to the point that denying you have bias is itself a bias (the bias blind spot). As i tell my students, your brain runs on less power than a typucal lightbulb, it cuts corners and biases are to be expected.
Now I understand you’re likely angry at these people for making idiotic choices, and honestly so the fuck am I — but you can’t act like everyone operates in a vacuum. You want to make a difference, start by addressing the causes.
Because for 30 years Republicans have dismantled the American education system…
And no one has really tried to fix it.
Humans are animals, we don’t just innately become well adjusted humans, we need to be socialized. The focus on STEM and standardized testing meant all that shit got thrown out the window.
