The answer to “what is Firefox?” on Mozilla’s FAQ page about its browser used to read:

The Firefox Browser is the only major browser backed by a not-for-profit that doesn’t sell your personal data to advertisers while helping you protect your personal information.

Now it just says:

The Firefox Browser, the only major browser backed by a not-for-profit, helps you protect your personal information.

In other words, Mozilla is no longer willing to commit to not selling your personal data to advertisers.

A related change was also highlighted by mozilla.org commenter jkaelin, who linked direct to the source code for that FAQ page. To answer the question, “is Firefox free?” Moz used to say:

Yep! The Firefox Browser is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it, and we don’t sell your personal data.

Now it simply reads:

Yep! The Firefox Browser is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it.

Again, a pledge to not sell people’s data has disappeared. Varma insisted this is the result of the fluid definition of “sell” in the context of data sharing and privacy.

24 points

Soon the only private option left will be to curl the website, read the html and picture it in my head.

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16 points

stallman was right

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Are there any specifics about this? It all seems fairly theoretical to me. What do they [want to] do that contradicts “doesn’t sell your personal data” within the context of the fluid definition of “sell”? Do they sell my personal data or don’t they? What definitions of “sell” are relevant here?

It’s all sounding a bit Bill Clinton to me: “it depends on your definition of ‘is’.”

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27 points

The ambiguity is the smoking gun.

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One thing to keep in mind is thar mozilla is now an ad company and can use this data itself for whatever advertising it wants to sell, so they dont even need a third party they can just sell targeted ads directly to companies while not technically “sharing” the info they gather to anyone.

Basically, why sell the data to other people when you can profit from using it directly?

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2 points

They get access to everything to do in Firefox

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21 points

Now that Mozilla’s fucked. What’s the next option that’s not Chromium?

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  • Mozilla is sliding down a slippery slope to enshitification; but they’re still near the top of that slide. The bad stuff hasn’t actually come yet. So Firefox is still top-tier in the short term.
  • In the medium term, we can look towards a fork such as Librewolf or Waterfox.
  • And in the long term, we’ll probably turn to a new project using Ladybird or Servo.
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7 points

It do be a slippery slope though

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Ladybird in a few years, forks of Firefox for now.

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11 points

A different fork from firefox like librewolf

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Librewolf is just some patches added on top of Firefox.

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Which happen to remove all telemetry, ads, reporting, etc. You know, the reason we don’t want to use vanilla Firefox.

Use Librewolf. Please don’t use any damned Chromium-based trash.

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Disable tor in tor browser.

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Librewolf, degoogled chromium, private windows. If you don’t want your data to be sold, don’t give out your data.

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2 points

IceCat

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3 points

That isn’t ready for common use by most people until there they offer binaries for easy installation.

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How’s the security patching? Last time I checked it was way far behind

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It also now is against the terms of service to use Firefox for illegal activity or to use it to watch porn.

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It also now is against the terms of service to use Firefox for illegal activity or to use it to watch porn.

I’ve seen this mentioned a few times in the past week, but I don’t see anything about pornography in the ToS.

Can you link me a source?

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Does this actually surprise anyone?

The split between non-profit and for profit corporation and the amount the ceo earns should have warned anyone that they are not saints and will sell out their community if it makes them money.

Until now it was just smart for them to be the wolf in disguise. I guess selling the data makes them more money than keeping false front.

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