The Vatican teaches that homosexuals must be treated with dignity and respect but that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered.”
Isn’t it weird how Catholic “radical inclusion” is wildly insulting and still less inclusive than secular society?
Love thy neighbor. Except this one. And this one. And those over there. And so on.
That’s not the worst thing they did.
Ask yourself: why did the Holocaust happen exactly? Who is responsible for almost all antisemitism, from past to present?
That’s a bit of a stretch don’t you think. I don’t like the church either but saying they’re responsible for the Holocaust is quite a leap lmfao
They are unquestionably responsible for helping a load of high level Nazi murderers to escape after the war, so maybe it’s not too much of a leap considering how pervasive the Nazi message has remained after all these years
Not directly, no.
But would you mind exlaining to me why the Nazi’s social darwinism heavily focused on Jews?What’s the root cause of antisemitism?
I can answer it: the church’s centuries of antisemitism. There’s a reason antisemitism was this extremely widespread in Europe.
Because Adolf Hitler used the Jews as a scapegoat for post-WW1 financial troubles and used phrases like “Bolsheviks” and “Marxism” to convince right leaning German citizens that the Jews were not only the cause of their problems but actively working to destroy their way of life.
This instilled a belief system in the fundamentalist “patriots” that it was up to them in order to fix the issues by standing against the Jewish population, this lead to events like Kristallnacht where businesses and homes were violated and destroyed in an attempt to make Jews fear for their lives.
Eventually when the Nazis started rounding up the Jews, not only were most of their neighbors okay with it happening, it wasn’t uncommon for them to assist in reporting and turning them in.
So you could say social engineering and propaganda over the course of years were the primary reason why the holocaust occurred, as it would face too much push back from an unprimed group that hasnt been molded over time to assess said group as “the enemy.”
But why did Hitler pick Jews? And why was tbe public so receptive?
Completely unrelated quote from Wikipedia’s article about antisemitism:
The Enlightenment adopted some anti-Judaic stereotypes, such as the juxtaposition of a supposedly nationally limited and materialistic Jewish religion of hate against a universal and idealistic Christian religion of love. In the 19th century, Christian and racist hostility toward Jews merged. Thus, Christian and racist enemies of Jews together revived the medieval ritual murder legends. Since 1900, nationalist Christians were at the same time anti-Semites, such as the Protestant church party “German Christians” of the Nazi era.
Annnnnd We all think you’re being very disingenuous with your veiled claim, because of your own vested interest in your creepy religion…
to deny what is a fact, because you have an anecdotal experience, does not absolve the entire religion, it’s participants and it’s leaders of its atrocious behavior and criminal acts… a good person would abstain from the chruch and practice in private z like Christ told you to do… he told you not be like the heathens in the streets, praying loud so the world would hear them… they have their reward… he told you and all his followers to be of quiet cheer and practice alone. You will find no sympathy here for your pathetic excuse of your pedophile religion
FO
They’re acting like the schism isn’t already guaranteed. A not insignificant portion of Catholics look to the episcopal church as leaders on issues like lgbt treatment and women’s leadership. Meanwhile another not insignificant portion of Catholics look to the medieval church as a role model on such issues and have issues with Catholic stances on things like the death penalty, global poverty, and the environment.
The fact is that the liberation theologists, Catholic workers, and other branches of the Catholic left are just not following the same religion as groups like the Catholics who control the American Supreme Court, the neofrancoists, and those who still say mass in Latin. And stuck in the middle are folks like Joe Biden, many Jesuits, and pope Francis who understand that the Catholic Church has a lot of value in its stability but does need to change to reflect the times and isn’t in a stable position.
The schism is all but official. The question is which side gets to keep the pope, how many pieces are left, and how radical each is.
Anecdotal but all of the Catholics I know have either converted to the episcopal church or they just never go to mass or talk about it but say they’re catholic so grandma doesn’t get sad. You go to mass, and there are no young people whatsoever. I don’t have hard data to back this up but it seems like the Catholic Church in the US could just collapse before a significant schism reaches us.
Oh full agreement, I’m ex Catholic myself (pagan now but it wasn’t a direct conversion). And yeah that’s what Francis was for and what he’s trying to do. There are still young Catholics and I’d break them into two groups: religiously inclined people who like theological rigor or ritual and were probably raised Catholic, and those who find value in regressive traditionalism. The former tend to convert to something like episcopalianism if their values drive them from the church. The latter on the other hand drive more people from regular Catholic attendance
The question is which side gets to keep the pope,
I propose King Solomon’s solution.
You jest, but I do think that violence and papal assassination are absolutely on the table here. I suspect we’re going to enter a second warring popes period or simply have a tense situation where both sides claim to hold a pope. Most likely Francis will fall left or liberal. Benedict just died otherwise I could see him providing legitimacy to the conservatives. But enough cardinals will probably split to pick a new pope.
If the conservatives get the Vatican it’ll probably be through Italian intervention and I would suspect that the liberals/left leaning will set up in France, South America, Ireland, or attempt to bargain for a square mile or so of Jerusalem.
If the liberals/left get the Vatican it’ll likely be thanks to pope Francis and I suspect the conservatives will set up in the United States, elsewhere in Italy, Spain, or attempt to get a small portion of Jerusalem.
There’s also a chance both are theologically stubborn enough to insist that their bishop of Rome is their leader and thus they either split the Vatican or attempt to get more of Rome.
I thought they claimed the pope is infallible so how can they challenge him?
Some people are nuts, if Jesus came down and told them to help the poor foreigners. They’d challenge his interpretation of tbe Bible im sure:C
Only in special circumstances of speaking “ex cathedra”
NB: The current title of the article is :
Pope suggests blessings for same-sex unions possible in response to 5 conservative cardinals
Changed the title. Long live Lemmy, it’s not perfect but at least we can do this haha
