They think trans women have an unfair advantage in… fishing?
Three members of an English women’s fishing team in England are refusing to compete at the world championships due to the fact that one of their own teammates is trans.
The Shore Angling World Championships will take place in Italy in November, and the board of the sport’s governing body, the Angling Trust, has said it will not prevent trans angler Becky Lee Birtwhistle Hodges from applying to compete.
I never knew organized animal torture was a gendered pastime
Ah yes, because it’s a “shitty vegan” idea to not want creatures to be stabbed through the mouth with a fishing hook and thrown back into the water for funsies. Seriously, if we caught and injured any other creature and threw it back just for the fun of it, people would be outraged.
If you think we’re annoying, try getting dragged out of your house by a hook through your mouth!
Why is there an issue with ‘trans’ but not ‘women’s’? If they’re going to divide up (exclude) sexes, perhaps make a ‘trans’ competition too.
In chess it made sense.
You only get better by playing higher quality opponents. And even today a lot of the male grandmasters won’t play women unless forced to.
For fishing tho?
It makes no sense, there’s not even skill involved with fishing, just luck on what bites.
So really, you should be asking why is anyone holding fishing tournaments
You could have scrolled down and not had to wait…
What are you even on about? ‘In chess it made sense’ like you think women are too dumb for chess??? And no skill in fishing? I guess it’s pretty obvious you’ve never been fishing.
Big yikes
What are you even on about? ‘In chess it made sense’ like you think women are too dumb for chess
No, I’m saying the only way to get abnormally good at chess is to play people that are already that good at it…
So women were set back decades in competitive chess and only got where they are today by organizing a high level women’s league.
This isn’t something I pulled out of my ass, just because you didn’t know about
While the comment about fish is probably bullshit the guy explained his reasoning pretty well. Chess grandmasters refuse to play against women, so women don’t get the chance to improve to that level as much. Women competitions solve that problem.
I am very much failing to see how the chess thing makes any sense…
It seems that the chess association that did that is operating from a sexist stance of “men are inherently more logical than women” which led to their transphobic stance of “trans women are not to play ciswomen”
Am I missing something? How does it make sense?
In chess the highest ranked men refused to play any women. Really, any man refused to play any woman in a ranked match.
To get good at chess, you need to play better opponents.
By not playing women, it meant women would never get as good as the best men.
That’s why a women’s chess league made sense, and why after it women have ranked in the top 10 globally. Because they were able to find each other and have matches.
My point was, in a solo activity like fishing, there’s no need for a women’s league. It’s not like fishing in a tournament against other people somehow makes you catch bigger fish.
Seriously. Do they think men have an advantage over women because it’s normal for a dad to take his son fishing growing up? I really can’t think of any other reason.
Women’s sport is not necessarily about having a physical advantage. It can be the case that the sport is simply male dominated and then, especially when there’s no physical reason, women may feel like it should be advertised to girls more. And that’s what then leads them to organize women-only championships.
Well yeah, thats pretty much it. The womens team is there to get more women in fishing. Sure, a dad might take his daughter to the lake to fish and the deer lease to hunt a few times, but its not as common as a dad taking his son.
Before even opening the article I knew it would be England. Fucking TERF Island.
This isn’t a facepalm. If they want to compete in a woman’s only tournament they should be allowed to want that.
Trans women are women, they were just born with imperfect bodies.
Next shall we ban small tits? Large labia? Bald girls?
No that would be silly. People can want to enjoy and play a sport with only their (cis) gender, especially when its a professional tournament. Making it sound like thats an issue is an issue.
So your stance is that you want to check people’s genitals before they can play a sport, and that intersex people can’t play? Don’t either of those things feel a little off to you?
Just because people want to segregate doesn’t make it okay. As a society, we’ve created loads of laws to make this exact point. It’s why (e.g.) the country club restaurant has to serve black people. You can’t segregate based on things a person can’t change. Sometimes you can’t even segregate based on things a person can change, like their religion.
Trans and intersex people need to be allowed to participate in sports. If we, as a society, are going to choose to differentiate sports teams based on gender, then we must allow these people to play based on the gender that they are.
If that’s such a problem, we could also ban segregating sports teams based on gender. That’s cool too.
Except when the whole point is getting women into the sport, and transwomen just dilute that message.
Fish are extremely sensitive to pheromones, so very possible that differnt levels of hormones impact a fisherperson’s ability to attract giant prehistoric fish
source: (youtbue documentarty on catching the worlds largest fish
Even if so, it wouldn’t be an issue if the person is on hrt, right? Speaking as a trans man on hrt, my hormones levels are the same as is normal for a cis man. I have no idea if it works the same for someone taking estrogen, though. Also I dunno anything about fish or fishing. So don’t take my contribution too seriously lmao