House Democrats on Tuesday said they do not plan to save Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) when a vote on ousting him from the top spot hits the floor later in the day.
Emerging from a more than two-hour meeting in the Capitol, House Democrats said they will vote to oust McCarthy from the Speakership.
“We are following our leader and we are not saving Kevin McCarthy,” Rep. Pramila Jayapal, chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, told reporters.
Asked if a decision was made as a caucus not to support McCarthy, Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) responded, “yes.”
This news follows McCarthy’s statement that he won’t give Dems anything to save his Speakership.
I think one of the most important statements McCarthy has said in this entire ordeal is this:
“I’m a Republican. I’m a conservative that wants to get things done. I know we live in – our government’s designed to have compromise, but look, we are in the majority. You don’t surrender,” he said..
This is another example of Republicans saying the quiet part out loud. Again. He blatantly and specifically said that the party knows they’re supposed to be compromising, but they just don’t want to.
It’s sad to say, but this is what politics has become in this country. You’re either in the majority or you might as well just stay home. But McCarthy himself has now said that compromise with the minority party isn’t a thing, Democrats need to remember this next time they have full control. Fuck even attempting to compromise with Republicans as they’ve made it clear that they have no intentions of compromising with you when the shoe is on the other foot.
The Democrats need to seize full control in 2024, and when McCarthy isn’t in power any more and complains about the Democrat majority, they can just respond by throwing his own words back at him.
when McCarthy isn’t in power any more and complains about the Democrat majority, they can just respond by throwing his own words back at him.
Didn’t Rep. Katie Porter already throw his words back at him and point out his hypocrisy about starting an impeachment without a floor vote?
Same for McConnell when RBG died and was hastily replaced right before an election when Obama was denied an appointment with nearly a year left in his term. His hypocrisy was similarly called out.
In both cases, they don’t care. I’m not saying we shouldn’t call it out every time, but we shouldn’t expect it to be some kind of “gotcha” moment either. They’re completely unfazed by it, and the people who vote them in don’t seem to care.
If I had a point when I started typing this out, I’ve lost it. lol
Having your words thrown back at you is a shaming tactic. They have no shame
Oh, I know they don’t care. All I’m saying is that every time he complains about the Democrat majority (and he will complain), the Dems can just respond by reading off his own quote, then going back to giving as much of a shit about his opinion as he’s showing for theirs.
Don’t read his quote. Don’t give him any attention. Just act.
Any amount of time you spend on things that are not your priority is a victory for the other side. Don’t spend a minute talking about him.
The issue is that a simple majority is pointless in US politics a lot of the time if the other party is OK with obstructing government and not compromising. You need a supermajority in both houses and the presidency to really get stuff done if the other party won’t play ball due to the asinine filibuster rules. And if you don’t have the presidency you need 2/3 in both chambers of congress to overrun the president’s veto. Which the Republicans know and count on to keep democratic legislation stymied forever. The only way democrats gets shit done is with incredible concessions even when they are the majority.
But with how modern republicans are trying to fuck it all up and play hardball stupidball that doesn’t seem to be working either. They aren’t willing to concede or compromise on anything permanent.
This news follows McCarthy’s statement that he won’t give Dems anything to save his Speakership.
K-Mc: I offer you nothing.
D’s: Okay.
This right here is the most pertinent point I think:
“This is someone who reneged on the budget deal with the President…” [Schiff] added.
It doesn’t matter if McCarthy promised the world to the Dems or not- the fact that he ignored the deal he agreed to with President Biden during the debt ceiling (hostage) negotiations means they have no reason to help him. Guess bipartisanship being anathema to Republicans is gonna bite Kevin now. Hope you all have enough popcorn.
Who knew politicians were so bad at politics? Every Civilization player knows you need to offer things and honor your agreements to get cooperation. Maybe I should send Kevin a copy.
Unless the other party is Gandhi in Civ VI… Gandhi will form a coalition of nations just to fuck you up for even glancing his direction, ironically.
He didn’t ignore it, he couldn’t get the FreeDumb Caucus to vote for it even though they should have. NO ONE can control those idiots, they need to be removed from office.
He didn’t need them to vote for it. If he was willing to pass a bill that would be supported by the other Republicans and some Democrats, he could have kept his promise. He just didn’t want to upset the FreeDumb Caucus and risk losing his position as Speaker. Ultimately, he acquiesced and brought the promises bill to a vote at the final hour, but it was too late. All he managed to do was enrage the extremists in his party enough for them to bring a vote to oust him, while also showing the Democrats that his promises are worthless. If he brought the good bill up earlier, the Democrats might have voted to keep him as Speaker, but his actions killed the only shred of a hope for that.
He seems to think that democrats should be kissing his feet for him not being Gaetz. Like sir, we know that you have too much discord among your ranks to hold your position. You can be a centrist trying to create a fair balance with the democrats or you can lose your position.
An under-appreciated point here is that with McCarthy gone, the math for somebody else to become Speaker is that much harder, and the odds of that person needing to rely on Democratic votes - and to make major, major concessions to get them - commensurately higher; in other words, just because McCarthy wouldn’t make a deal with Democrats to remain Speaker, it doesn’t mean that somebody else won’t eventually make one to become Speaker.
But any deal with a Republican can’t be trusted. It’s better to hold out and vote to remove McCarthy and not confirm another Republican. Literally all of them will break their word.
Democrats just need to make Republicans look completely inept and block everything but the budget. Republicans are not going to pass anything good anyway.
Is it basically a “hung parliament” situation where nobody has a majority? Democrats vs “republicans” vs maga.
House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) “definitively” called for a vote against any procedural motion to delay the motion to vacate, Punchbowl News reports.
He also instructed Democrats to vote to oust Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-NY).
The Washington Post says Democrats will not vote present and the caucus is unified.
See ya later Kev
Remember, Nancy Pelosi had an identically small House majority over the last two years and this stuff didn’t happen. This is not a “both sides” phenomenon; the two parties are not mirror images of each other.
This news follows McCarthy’s statement that he won’t give Dems anything to save his Speakership.
Ah yes, the power play of showing up to the negotiation, slamming the door, and walking away. Bold move, let’s see how it plays out.
Well, he’s damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. If he negotiated with Dems, he’d loose more Republican votes, not just the MAGA zealots.
Which just makes it funnier. He alienated all hope of bipartisanship to appease the fanatic side, and now he gets to sleep with the leopard.
