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I dont totally know the history here but just to be clear, the Red Army did this no more than the Western allies did correct?

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I find your views interesting and would like to debate you in the marketplace of ideas

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You see present day Russians commiting systemic war crimes led by a man wanted for crimes against humanity and doubt that the USSR is an egregious perpetrator of war crimes.

Insomuch as Russian warcrimes in Ukraine are even a thing (extant, but heavily exaggerated, and not out of line with other similar wars), the Stalin lead USSR and Putin lead Russia are completly different regimes. This statement is essentially racist because it implies that Russians are inherently inclined towards rape or something, because otherwise the Putin regime and the Stalin led USSR have nothing in common politically.

See the holodomor.

https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Holodomor https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/13vvvfs/new_way_of_determining_historical_truth_just/jm84jlj/

Did you think they only did mass execution

Executing Nazi POWs is not a bad thing. They were Nazis. The USSR actually held back on this as well.

starved children

There was no intentional starvation of anyone in the USSR.

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Very funny that they mention starving children considering peasant landlords were doing exactly that in direct defiance of the redistributive agenda of the Soviet state.

They want to feed little children during the famine? They should thank Stalin and the peasant armies for holding the Kulaks at gunpoint to give it to them.

Kulaks would have loved to starve them out, poor people and their children were useless eaters in their eyes.

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Also naming the Soviet famine is literally stolen valor by Nazis. Using it as justification for lebensraum

The name Holodomor was chosen because it sounds like Holocaust. i.e the Holocaust of the would-be Aryan race lmao.

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I’m gonna spare you a lot of trouble and tell you three simple facts

  1. Modern Russia is not the USSR, Putin is not Stalin and conflating the two is ideological laziness

  2. There is no clean war, if you somehow believe that there was ever a war without war crimes on both sides, I have several bridges to sell you in New York

  3. The Holodomor is literally a fascist myth meant to minimize and justify the Holocaust. Most modern historians agree that at worst, it was a mismanaged famine and not an attempt to commit genocide

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Jewish historians would call you a holocaust denier for validating the holdomor, the holodomor is direct Nazi propaganda, it’s Nazi Holocaust minimization and apologia.

Double genocide theory is Holocaust denial.

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Putin wanted by the ICC for war crimes, yet George W Bush and his criminal administration walk free. Wild.

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The “Double Genocide” Theory - Jewish Currents https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

Stop engaging in Holocaust denial

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the red army was the ONLY army in WW2 that punished soldiers who did this. Usually by a bullet to the head by the nearest political officer.

i think the amerikkkans hanged some black soldiers, but that might’ve been during WW1 and they were basically just lynchings

https://journals.openedition.org/rccsar/476 this is an interesting article about the way nato basically spun all the SA the red army did into the standard anti-communist points of: “hordes of asiatics doing horrible crimes constantly”

in the end though, show me an army that doesnt r#pe and i’ll show you the unit manual for Starcraft 2, sadly

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ONLY army in WW2 that punished soldiers who did this

we can avoid making an obviously false statement just to emphasize that the soviet military had policies against it.

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there were those that fought both

Nazi collaborators with extra steps

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i would say the rawanden genocide

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IIRC it gets deployed against every ontologically evil designated enemy. I know it was deployed against Iraqis during the first Gulf War, with Hillary Clinton claiming Saddam was issuing his troops with Viagra specifically so they could [redacted] more. This is me misremembering, see replies.

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I know it was deployed against Iraqis during the first Gulf War, with Hillary Clinton claiming Saddam was issuing his troops with Viagra specifically so they could [redacted] more.

I don’t doubt r**e was a claim made against Iraqis too, but it’s the absurd claim about soldiers taking babies from incubators that most sticks out in my memory when it comes to Iraq and the first Gulf War. However, Hilary Clinton talking about soldiers being given viagra was definitely about Gaddafi. Keep in mind who was in power when those respective conflicts were happening.

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Hillary Clinton claiming Saddam was issuing his troops with Viagra specifically so they could [redacted] more

Wasn’t that Gaddafi? The timeline doesn’t match, since Viagra wasn’t even on the market until the late 90s (hard to forget the time hack Viagra jokes were suddenly everywhere). Also, why would Hillary have said anything? H.W. Bush was president then.

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H.W. Bush was president then.

I thought it was Bill, don’t tired post folks you’re right

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Could also argue that Japan codified it during WW2 in the occupation of China and Korea. But rape as a weapon is a conservative tool. It’s why conservatives oppose abortion so much.

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