Furious Democrats are pushing “Squad” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) to primary Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) after he agreed to vote with Republicans to avoid a government shutdown, according to reports.
I would like to vote for a Progressive party. Sanders and friends for every ballot.
Fuck that…AOC and the rest of the progressives need to make their own party. The Ds are done.
As long as the US uses a first-past-the-post system, third parties will not be viable. The only REAL way to go forward is to take over the Democratic party and push it left. We’ll see how it goes…
The US has always had two parties, but it hasn’t always had the same two parties. Creating a new party that’s successful is entirely possible, if doing so completely destroys one of the existing parties in the process.
For example, the Whig Party emerged after the Federalist Party collapsed, and the Republican Party emerged after the Whig Party collapsed.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_the_United_States
While it will be a problem I think right now it is worse to stick under the Democrat label. Right now the Democrats are a fascist-lite party which has only served to drag down real progressive candidates and stab the common man in the back in favor of status quo or for needless compromise. The Democratic Party is so deeply rotten that abandoning it is just the better option.
Edit: The Democratic Party is held up by its progressive wing, the progressives help maintain the party’s image of being left wing/centrist. Once the progressives leave the real nature of the party will cause it to collapse under its own failures.
This will not be the first time we have had one of the major parties fall in this nation. Like the Federalists, Democratic-Republicans and Whigs before it, it is time for a dying party to disintegrate. It is time for a new party which actually has to give a shit is formed.
You are high off your rocker if you legitimately think you have a better chance of winning as an independent (or whatever they want to call the new party) than a democrat right now. We are so woefully entrenched in a two party system that we need multiple elections cycles just for a third party to even get a foothold in people’s minds. I am very very in favor of additional parties and have always thought that the two party system is absolutely terrible for just about everything we wish a government to do but at this point I just don’t see it happening for quite some time, epecially with first past the polls voting.
John Adams was painfully accurate in his warning:
Let me now warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party… It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeebles the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption… There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.
The whole letter is fantastic and incredibly salient today. But this sums it up decently.
As long as the US uses a first-past-the-post system, third parties will not be viable.
Democrats don’t have to field candidates if they’re so damned scared about splitting the vote. It’s not like they’re particularly interested in winning anyway.
Yeah, but they will anyway, because they’d rather split the vote than let progressives win. Dunno why you think that’s the case at every other point along the way but that they’ll just bow to higher goals when someone is much more explicitly trying to eat their lunch.
At least winning a primary means trying to split the vote will go against the normies feelings of fairness and “the team”.
MAGA took over the Republican Party for a reason if the progressives were able to organize their way out of a paper bag they could do it themselves.
MAGA took over the Republican Party for a reason
That reason is that the GOP allowed them to. In 2016 the GOP held an extremely competitive primary and actively embraced MAGA as their new path to success, while the DNC decided to make sure a progressive doesn’t get the nomination again even at the cost of losing the election.
You guys need to get over the whole Bernie thing.
He didn’t win the primary.
The only thing you need to remember is that political parties, by law, cannot restrict candidates from running under that party banner. Superdelegates are how the Democratic Party leadership attempts to skirt this and put its thumb on the scale, but after the Clinton-Sanders debacle, their power was diminished.
An ideological takeover of the party is possible. It just requires progressive candidates to get elected.
Nah, fuck that IMO, even the name itself is beyond saving
A new actually progressive party that brings about a new system is the ideal path forward at this point if the goal is to meet the needs of the people and actually give everyone a chance, that’s my current opinion on the topic from my current perspective (saying this because things are changing quick so idk WTF is going to happen in reality)
Never going to happen until most of all states have ranked choice or star voting. First past the post is basically designed for only 2 parties.
Not going to happen. You need to take over the Democratic Party with progressives, same way the fascists took over the Republican party
If they take over the party, you have to shoulder the responsibility of everything the parties done in the past. It’s easier to just start a new one, because I don’t fucking feel like a democrat anymore. I’m tired of calling myself a democrat. Because democrats are spineless feckless fucking morons that spend tens of millions of dollars after they lose an election to find out why, and then do absolutely fucking nothing with that information.
The sheer level of idiocy and hubris required to spend that kind of money to find out a way to fix a problem, and when you have that information do nothing with it is beyond anything the forefathers could have ever fucking dreamed of.
We need to take responsibility, because we broke democracy. The two party system doesn’t work anymore. I want out.
AOC won surprisingly at her first foray into politics when she was up against an established monied opponent. If she primaries against Schumer, she might just be able pull it off again. Remember that even some MAGA appreciates her anti-oligarchy run, which in turn makes her look authentic for the masses. The look for authenticity in a politician is what many affluent people-- both liberals and conservatives alike-- do not understand of the Trump phenomenon, or even the popularity of Sanders, Walz and AOC.
I’ve never felt more defeated electorally than by the current crop of Democrats.
Losing to Hillary in the '16 primaries was rough, but it wasn’t even close to enough to get me or almost anyone to drop out of politics. At least the 2020 ratfucking gave us the platform. Losing to Trump, now twice, also pretty rough.
But what Schumer and Jefferies are doing now, its more defeating than anything before. Its not just a weak resistance, or a paper or performative resistance: its anti-resistance. What Schumer and Jefferies have done, through their insescent weakness, will be long term more damaging to the party than anything that Kamala or Biden did or didn’t do, in-spite of their own obvious and utter failings.
News flash: The Democrats are throwing the mid-terms. Now. Right fucking now and right in front of you. The blew the fucking election, and now they are putting in double time to blow the next one.
And you have 0 control or leverage to be able to stop them because they don’t want you in their party. They don’t want to share power with brown people. They don’t want to share power with queer people. They don’t want to share power with immigrants or atheists or scientists or anyone who isn’t an ivy league, beltway insider. They will not be giving over the reigns to the party, no matter how pretty-please with sprinkles on top you ask them. They don’t want to share power with the tent-poles of the big tent party. You are a consumable resource to them. They’re going to throw you and the entire Democratic project under the bus to preserve their posture in a kabuki power game with themselves.
There is no path to salvation through the Democratic party. To quote Carlin: Its a BIG club, and you ain’t in it.
There is no path to resistance through the Democratic party. The way things have been done in the past hasn’t worked. You don’t have decades to find your footing and figure out how to stop this.
You have days, weeks.
Fuck giving up or defeatism though. Lifetime Opposition just because of spite is the way for me.
Uh…
There is no path to salvation through the Democratic party.
Doesn’t sound like blue MAGA to me.
I mean if you are going to make accusations, at least get the accusations right.
Terminally online: ✅
Blue MAGA: ❌
We need this, the GOP must be destroyed by a strong Democratic party that doesn’t have the work ethic of a Uvalde cop.
Third parties are not viable in the US Two Party System, it’s Dems or bust
This isn’t a two party system. Both parties are owned by the same group of billionaires.
That’s an illusion of choice no different than picking from among the companies owned by Nestle.
