Not discrediting Open Source Software, but nothing is 100% safe.

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Luckily there are people who do know, and we verify things for our own security and for the community as part of keeping Open Source projects healthy.

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Open source software is safe because somebody knows how to audit it.

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And to a large extent, there is automatic software that can audit things like dependencies. This software is also largely open source because hey, nobody’s perfect. But this only works when your source is available.

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Except when people pull off shit like Heartbleed.

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It’s safe because there’s always a loud nerd who will make sure everyone knows if it sucks. They will make it their life mission

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Will that nerd be heard or be buried under the scrutiny?

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Also because those people who can audit it don’t have a financial incentive to hide any flaws they find

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My very obvious rebuttal: Shellshock was introduced into bash in 1989, and found in 2014. It was incredibly trivial to exploit and if you had shell, you had root perms, which is insane.

env x=‘() { :;}; echo vulnerable’ bash -c “echo this is a test”

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Though one of the major issues is that people get comfortable with that idea and assume for every open source project there is some other good Samaritan auditing it

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I would argue that even in that scenario it’s still better to have the source available than have it closed.

If nobody has bothered to audit it then the number of people affected by any flaws will likely be minimal anyway. And you can be proactive and audit it yourself or hire someone to before using it in anything critical.

If nobody can audit it that’s a whole different situation though. You pretty much have to assume it is compromised in that case because you have no way of knowing.

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Oh definitely, I fully agree. It’s just a lot of people need to stop approaching open source with an immediate inherent level of trust that they wouldn’t normally give to closed source. It’s only really safer once you know it’s been audited.

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Have you seen the dependency trees of projects in npm? I really doubt most packages are audited on a regular basis.

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The point is not that you can audit it yourself, it’s that SOMEBODY can audit it and then tell everybody about it. Only a single person needs to find an exploit and tell the community about it for that exploit to get closed.

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Exactly! I wait on someone who isn’t an idiot like me to say, “ok, so here’s what’s up guys.”

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While I generally agree, the project needs to be big enough that somebody looks through the code. I would argue Microsoft word is safer than some l small abandoned open source software from some Russian developer

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That’s true, but I’m not a programmer and on a GitHub project with 3 stars I can’t count on someone else doing it. (Of course this argument doesnt apply to big projects like libre office) With Microsoft I can at least trust that they will be in trouble or at least get bad press when doing something malicious.

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Ehmm. if nobody uses it, it kinda doen’t matter if it’s safe. And for this example: I bet more people had a look at the code of LibreOffice than MS Office. And i dont think it sends telemetry home in default settings.

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I think they’re talking about onlyoffice.

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But eventually somebody will look and if they find something, they can just fork the code and remove anything malicious. Anyways, open source to me is not about security, but about the public “owning” the code. If code is public all can benefit from it and we don’t have to redo every single crappy little program until the end of time but can instead just use what is out there.
Especially if we are talking about software payed for by taxes. That stuff has to be out in the open (with exception for some high security stuff - I don’t expect them to open source the software used in a damn tank, a rocket or a fighter jet)

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Fun fact*: the software in the most advanced dildos come from old missile guidance systems the government isn’t using anymore.

*not a fact, but hopefully fun.

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Maybe not a fact but I will still accept it as canon

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No, missle.

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Agreed.

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this was indeed fun

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Thanks 😁

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Closed-source software is inherently predatory.

It doesn’t matter if you can read the code or not, the only options that respect your freedom are open source.

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