161 points

This legitimately is science, though. A scientist is characterized by their willingness to change their mind when confronted with new evidence. It’s so contrary to the normal human response that we named it.

permalink
report
reply
41 points

Thats how its supposed to work and in practice it kinda does, but the people with the money want positive results and the people doing the work have to do what they can to stay alive and relevant enough to actually do the work. Which means that while most scientists are willing to change their minds about something once they have sufficient evidence, gathering that evidence can be difficult when no one is willing to pay for it. Hard to change minds when you can’t get the evidence to show some preconceived notion was wrong.

permalink
report
parent
reply
31 points

I once had a very special, very young colleague, who would always question everything, but was never willing to change his own mind. And of course, he believed the Bible was 100% verbatim correct and scientists were lying.

Well, one day he exclaimed, “Scientists don’t know everything for certain either!”.
So, I responded, “Yeah…? They don’t claim to…?”.

And that left him absolutely confused. I don’t know how much propaganda his parents fed him, but I guess, at the very least he never considered that a possibility.

So, I told him that it’s not called a “scientific theory” for nothing. And that literally everything in science will be abolished, if you can disprove it.

After that quick shock, he was already back to not wanting to believe anything that sounded logical, but his last response was something along the lines of “That doesn’t make any sense. How can you live by something and not know for certain that it’s correct?”.

Which, like, I get it. It’s scary to not have certain answers. But it makes no sense to just pick one answer and decide that this one is certain.
But yeah, that is the mindset he grew up in.

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

It takes a lot of those moments to experience a paradigm shift. Unfortunately a person usually won’t encounter enough of them to see clearly unless they’re actively searching for answers. That’s why churches discourage asking a lot of questions, or reading secular material. When my walls started crumbling it was a legitimately uncomfortable experience. Realizing that you’ve been living by a bunch of preconceptions that aren’t universal truths, and understanding for the first time how another group perceives something differently than your entire core group does, is really confusing and difficult. Most people get scared when they hit that point and retreat back to their core belief system. It’s very uncomfortable to keep pushing through for answers.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

I belive religions and gods came from people not wanting to admit they “don’t know” certain things. They ask for stuff like how can you prove that god does not exist while there is no evidence that god exist either. Its like saying “show me the evidence that thing with no evidence does not exist”

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

Honestly, I don’t even think, it was necessarily that someone didn’t want to admit missing knowledge.

In my experience, us humans still love our false gods.
For example, how was the universe created? Well, there was the Big Bang, end of story. Most people just accept a big explosion as an explanation.

In reality, not only is the Big Bang not actually an explosion (nor finished), things happened before it, too. And we have a hard time seeing what happened before it, so we actually do not know that the universe was created. The theory with the least assumptions would be that it was not created, just spatially a lot smaller.

Of course, religion was itself involved in spreading the theory that the universe was created, but you’ve still got theoretically intelligent people not questioning how the void just kind of exploded for no reason and suddenly everything existed.

Another absolute classic of modern false gods: AI.
In most contexts, when a computer scientist says “AI”, you can mentally replace that with “magic” and it’s similarly meaningful. It’s basically just a code word for them to not need to explain further.

permalink
report
parent
reply
18 points
*

I wish somebody had told me beforehand that a degree of enthusiastic acting was necessary to spin my miserable results into a success like the superstars in the department, though.

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

“We have successfully disproven the hypothesis!”

vs.

“Yeah, so I did some experiments and it turns out I was wrong.”

I personally like the latter, but I guess I’m in the minority.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

Yeah Mr. Investor. By blowing up the the lap I have reached the groundbreaking Discovery, that the explosives are indeed explosive! Due to this phenomenal Results I have been able to determine both the danger AND the economic possibilities of explosives! Here are some definetly reliable graphs, that prove how my explosive is super nice and (in Theory) the most powerful explosive ever discovered!

permalink
report
parent
reply
-18 points
*
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points

That’s less on the scientists “with the letters after their name” and more on the funding sources for said scientists.

permalink
report
parent
reply
54 points

Lmao have fun publishing that kiddo

permalink
report
reply
22 points

I had such a hard time explaining to my family why I was working on a project for two years, and ends up with nothing publishable…

Everyone can be wrong, solving problems is what my field is looking for (I m not sure if that is fortunate or unfortunate).

permalink
report
parent
reply
17 points

Which is stupid. Everyone can be wrong because we haven’t been wrong enough times to be right. How many people have to be wrong the same way before we benefit from the paths they re-tread?

permalink
report
parent
reply
12 points

You didn’t spend 2 years failing. You spent 2 years learning

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

Most research is funded by private corporations looking to make their money back then some. Two years of not being right is usually worse for having a sustainable career than just bsing that you’re right. Case study: Alzheimer’s research.

permalink
report
parent
reply
15 points

I’m not a doctor, and I’m not a researcher in any field, but I do recall reading plenty of null studies when I had access to the catalogs.

Are publishers only publishing positive stories now?

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points

In my field they do publish results without success, but it must either be (a) something seminal in the field or (b) interesting in a notable way. General things aren’t going to have the juice to get through the review process. One exception to this is the shotgun method. If you’re testing a bunch of different things that get at the same question and they all miss, you might still get published, but that’s because it’s adjacent to (b).

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

It’s actually a published problem 😅

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points

Null results are results too 🥲

permalink
report
parent
reply
35 points

Is the creator of these still anti-abortion? It’s marred my enjoyment of them since finding out a few years back.

permalink
report
reply
20 points

According to him, he follows Jesus, so presumably so.

permalink
report
parent
reply
21 points

Well I follow Odin, can I throw a brick at them?

permalink
report
parent
reply
12 points

Jesus was a carpenter so he might start building a house.

Besides that, in Jewish culture life starts at first breath and the bible literally has a recipe for abortion in it (not a very good one and it’s around wildly sexist context but it is there)

permalink
report
parent
reply
19 points

Yeah. Imagine creating a comic strip of this subject, and being anti-abortion simultaneously.

The hypocrisy is mind-blowing.

permalink
report
parent
reply
16 points

Well abortion is a philosophical debate more than it is a scientific fact.

permalink
report
parent
reply
13 points

Aww really? I didn’t know about that. that’s kind of a shame.

permalink
report
parent
reply
20 points

In April 2019, a Twitter post by Pyle from 2017 resurfaced regarding the pro-life rally March For Life. According to some reporters, Pyle’s tweet expressed support for, or defended, March For Life. The tweet caused many[who?] fans to turn against Strange Planet and its creator, in a controversy described by at least one outlet as an example of the Milkshake Duck phenomenon.

Pyle released a statement shortly afterwards which did not mention abortion, but said that he and his wife “have private beliefs as they pertain to our Christian faith. We believe separation of church and state is crucial to our nation flourishing.” He also stated they voted for the Democratic Party, and were “troubled by what the Republican Party has become and [did] not want to be associated with it.”

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

I hope he’s changed since then. thank you for sharing.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

I still can’t believe the dude landed an Apple+ show.

permalink
report
parent
reply
25 points

“The only difference between doing random shit and science is writing it down”

permalink
report
reply
3 points

The legend himself.

permalink
report
parent
reply
23 points
*

If you made a poster out of some of my decisions it would be the ultimate science fair project

permalink
report
reply

Science Memes

!science_memes@mander.xyz

Create post

Welcome to c/science_memes @ Mander.xyz!

A place for majestic STEMLORD peacocking, as well as memes about the realities of working in a lab.



Rules

  1. Don’t throw mud. Behave like an intellectual and remember the human.
  2. Keep it rooted (on topic).
  3. No spam.
  4. Infographics welcome, get schooled.

This is a science community. We use the Dawkins definition of meme.



Research Committee

Other Mander Communities

Science and Research

Biology and Life Sciences

Physical Sciences

Humanities and Social Sciences

Practical and Applied Sciences

Memes

Miscellaneous

Community stats

  • 13K

    Monthly active users

  • 3.4K

    Posts

  • 84K

    Comments