Asking because of Mahmoud Khalil is trending…
I don’t know if the first amendment still exist anymore 😖
Legally none, but given that were no longer governed by law, no idea. I would say talk to a civil rights lawyer if you are a Naturalized citizen and want to participate in your first amendment rites.
If I was still an American (I gave up my citizenship after Dubya shat the USA Patriot Act) and part of an at-risk group - and there are many - I would seriously consider emigrating at this point.
Don’t do like the jews who stayed in Germany after 1933 thinking it can’t get any worse: it will get worse and you don’t want to be stuck in the US when it’s too late to leave.
Curious, what country did you go to, and what eligibility requirement did you meet?
Because AFIAK, there only a few ways:
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Be a rich person that have money to invest, usually like $500,000 USD at minimum, some countries requiring more (I don’t got that money lol)
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Be a “skilled worker” (nope)
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Have close relatives in a target country (Most of my close relatives are in the US or China)
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Marry someone? (Same-Sex marriage laws in the EU makes it easier, but still… I’m not exactly attractive)
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Claim jus sanguinis in some country? (The only option I got is PRC, and that’s not a fun place to be)
My parents have a small bussiness here, and like, we can’t just thanos snap and move everything.
The only advantage I would have is being Han Chinese so I could blend in and I’m not a minority group that’d get genocided, but I’d still have to shut up and not criticize the government, and if they find out about the shit I’ve been saying while in the US, I’m fucked either way.
So basically, I can stay in the US and just shut up and don’t criticize the government. (And pray that no holocaust v2 happens.)
Or I can try claiming jus sanguinis in PRC and hope they don’t know or don’t care about the stuff I’ve been saying in the US, and I also have to shut up and don’t criticize the government.
These are my most realistic options.
EU is very unrealistic. Canada is also similar, and about get invaded. Everywhere else is instability and/or authoritarianism.
US being nominally a democracy isn’t gonna help with political asylum applications, and by the time the EU takes it seriously, the borders would already be closed.
that sounds like you’re talking about permanent immigration.
another easy way to permanently immigrate is to move a place on a tourist or digital nomad visa, and then stay there legally or otherwise until you’re allowed to apply for citizenship.
spain and portugal require about $40,000 a year for their digital nomad visas.
The thing is, it’s even easier to move without changing citizenship and you can still stick it to the US government.
if you don’t change citizenship, and you live outside of the US 11 months out of the year, you don’t have to pay taxes on earned income. so you’re not supporting the current administration.
The cheapest golden visa is $75,000 for the whole family in the Philippines, btw, not 500k.
I still wouldn’t pay that.
I travel full time, you can easily get 3 to 6 month visas in a bunch of countries, Visa-Free travel in the others, live permanently abroad, legally avoid US taxes and enjoy a much lower cost of living in countries that aren’t tearing themselves and their constitution apart.
Curious, what country did you go to
I lived in many countries. The one I went to when I left the US was the UK. But it was in Europe back then. I would never move there now.
Because AFIAK, there only a few ways
You missed mine 🙂 I had dual citizenship. I simply gave one up. I had to pay the extortion racket but other than that, that’s all I had to do.
Also, if you’re trans or not male or female (some people are born with extra X and Y chromosomes, which flies in the face of the administration’s idiotic male / female classification), you’ve basically become a non-person in the US. As such, I’m fairly sure you could make a convincing case for asylum in many European countries.
Marrying someone means nothing. They’re taking people with green cards who are married to Americans and are making them disappear.
I think you’re mistaken. I mean like marrying a EU citizen in order to obtain EU Citizenship.
I’m already a US citizen.
Australia and NZ also exist, those countries are likely fine in that no major global trade routes go through there (unlike the Arctic), so that mitigates the risk of war over there. Those I’ve read somewhere on r/IWantOut that some countries like Australia have a list of medical conditions that would mean one is not allowed to emigrate there.
England/the UK I haven’t read much, but that’s about as far as one can go, aside from Canada; to go elsewhere means learning a new language is outright required.
I’m in a similar position as OP, and trying to leave with someone else would be even more trickier. Even Canada is very limited in how many family members/friends/relatives that one can sponsor or emigrate with.
I’d feel like being of Chinese descent is more of a liability. If the PRC goes after Taiwan, I could totally see the cheeto crowd go after my ethnicity and be a repeat of what happened in WWII.
I just hope any one country will start allowing asylum seekers to get out before it’s too late, but I won’t hold my breath given that everywhere in the developed world seems to have a housing crisis all at once.
to go elsewhere means learning a new language is outright required.
Ah shit, here I go again
This time, I don’t have the advantage if being a kid and it was 10x easier to learn a new language as a kid. I mean, I’m so good at English, my classmates say they don’t hear any accents. I’m practically a native English speaker.
If I were to move, the language thing is gonna make me cry…
flashback to spanish class in middle school / high school 😓
Maybe I’m exaggerating, but haven’t you heard about the current US administration’s threats against Canada, Greenland, and Panama?
All they need is an excuse to start the war.
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Hi SDF fellow
What about people who can’t relocate because they’re poor, don’t have dual citizenship, have nowhere to go, have felonies, etc?
We know it will get worse. Our persons are already owned by the US. We know the history and we’ve read their playbooks.
There’s no organization, no real solidarity, no strategy for opposition.
The people who think they’ll be safe from it won’t help us entrench, and people who already got out won’t help us get out.
and part of an at-risk group - and there are many
Are there any other “at risk groups” that may likely be targeted but are not commonly talked about or targeted at the moment? I know trans, non male/female, green card residents, and naturalized citizens are some of the most at risk groups.
Cheeto has blamed aspergers/autism on vaccinations (?), so I’m not too sure yet whether cheeto plans to go after disabled/neurodiverse/aspergers people next. I have already seen “disabilities” and “disability” on the “banned words” list in the New York Times article about “banned words” at agencies in Washington.
I suspect that if the PRC goes after Taiwan, then that may put any ethnic Chinese in the U.S. into an at risk group.
The problem is that I’m not sure the latter I mentioned qualify for political asylum just yet, aside from the former that are targeted at the moment.
Which at risk groups should plan to leave right now aside from the most obvious?
Right now, I’d say absolutely don’t do it. Especially don’t do it if you live in a red state, or are in/near one of the “flashpoint” areas/institutions that are making splashy headlines now.
It’s fucked up, but that’s pragmatic advice. If you cannot deal with the possibility of being illegally detained and deported with zero recourse, you really do need to keep your head down right now, regardless of your skin color… but at the same time, be doubly careful if you’re not white.
I can’t believe I’m writing this about the United States.
Yea thanks, I was probably never gonna protest anyways, I’m not that brave lol, but I was just asking since I’m curious what were the risks for someone like me to do so.
I’m kinda feeling like Snowden at the moment. I mean like: You can criticize the government of your former country (for me that’s PRC), but kinda have to keep a low profile when it comes to the government of your current country. So yea I kinda understand what Snowden is going through.
If no consequence comes for not following court order it wouldn’t matter if you were Hunter Biden, they could deport you and no one could stop them.
And this is the real crux of the issue. If there are no penalties for ignoring the court order, then we have already entered the “we need to start lighting dome-topped buildings on fire” phase of protests. Because if the judicial branch is truly being ignored, then there is nothing to stop it from escalating to straight up “Secret Police disappearing citizens in the dark of night for having dissenting opinions” levels.
One important thing for people to think about right now is “what happens when other countries don’t accept deportees?”
They start to stack up. Housing, feeding, and guarding “dangerous undesirables” is expensive.
Surely, it would be patriotic to save your country money…
It might be too late. It might not, who’s to say. Videos from this weekend have a very familiar ring to them though.
If you are not a straight white man, you will be flirting with deportation. It might get reversed later, and they might “deport” you to a country you have never been, but it will still be a life-changing event.
If you are going to protest, remember to wear a face-covering, never give anyone your full name, leave your cellphone at home, and wear something you can run in.
