Summary
Donald Trump threatened to send American citizens convicted of vandalizing Tesla vehicles to El Salvador’s infamous Terrorism Confinement Center, labeling the vandals as “sick terrorist thugs” deserving 20-year sentences.
This statement followed a major vandalism incident in Ontario, Canada, where around 80 Tesla cars were damaged.
Trump’s comments coincide with controversy over his use of the 1798 Alien Enemies Act to deport migrants, halted by a court order.
The White House defended the deportation despite legal challenges, denying any violation of the court’s injunction.
I’m pessimistic about a lot of what people say Trump can’t do, but he definitely can’t do this one.
Edit: that’s enough of this community. Y’all are way worse than even the politics and tanky subs on Reddit. Jesus, y’all need some help. Count me as another ally you threw away because you can’t see past your own ignorance.
Count me as another ally you threw away because you can’t see past your own ignorance.
LOL if you think this way then you were never an ally.
If your support was conditional, then it was insincere. I don’t know what group you think you belong to, but you were never one of “us.” If you would like to be, you can make a good start by growing enough backbone to stand by whatever morals you have instead of “being an ally” and then “not an ally anymore” depending on whatever shit people say to you.
I’m sure you’ll be muttering that to yourself on the plane to El Salvador.
Nah dawg, I have guns and will use them before it comes to that. I’m not trying to sound tough either.
Game it out.
Say he does this.
Say someone sues. Say they rule against Trump. Say it’s appealed, all the way to the Supreme Court, eventually, and say they actually take the case and rule against him in, at best, a narrow 5-4 ruling.
That’s pretty unlikely. And the defendant will have been in prison a long time, already. And he could just bring them back without much fanfare, as this is a hundred controversies back.
And say he defies the order, especially if the Supreme Court refuses to take it… Then what? Is congress going to harass him for a immigration case? That is political suicide, and the congresspeople would be at real risk of physical retribution too.
This is what populist, fascist dictatorships do. They can’t get away with everything, but they constantly push the envelope and game the systems, hence the orders he is already starting to push.
Obama, Biden, Bush, even Trump on 2016 couldn’t do this because the political support from a base wasn’t there, but now it is.
How will they sue when they have no access to a lawyer, they’ve been picked up off the street, held in black sites incommunicado and then sent to these slave labour camps, never having gone near to a lawyer, a phone or a court?
The people being sent there now have not been convicted of a crime. I wouldnt even be confident that the people sending them into lifetime slavery know who they are. There could already be US citizens kidnapped into slavery for all anyone knows.
I want to agree with you, but why can’t he? The courts aren’t saying, “You can send these people to El Salvador because immigrants have fewer rights.” The courts are saying, “They have rights, you can’t send them there,” and his admin is ignoring them. What’s to stop an attempt to deport citizens?
I don’t want to be blackpilled, but public backlash hasn’t amounted to enough. Hopefully a greater public backlash will matter, but it seems like people don’t recognize how dire the situation really is.
Theoretically, the citizens of the US would stop him from doing that. It’s such an obvious an egregious violation of rights that (again, in theory) he would lose a lot of support over it and we’d potentially face riots and massive protests. This is probably what Trump wants though, so he and Musk have a reason to implement martial law and really take the mask off
It’s such an obvious an egregious violation of rights that (again, in theory) he would lose a lot of support over it and we’d potentially face riots and massive protests.
Lol do you live in USA? It’s literally a fascist state. There will be no riots or massive protests except maybe in support of genocide, etc.
Theoretically, the citizens of the US would stop him from doing that.
There’s your problem. Have you not been paying attention lately? Half the citizens want this. Even among those that don’t, there’s no appetite for violent protests.
he would lose a lot of support over it
I honestly don’t think he would. Conservatives have proven themselves to be absolutely craven maniacs time and time again. He’s NEVER lost their support.
He can. They’re basically just kidnapping people and whisking them out of the country before they have time to get legal representation or take it to court. And if a court does manage to rule that the deportations are illegal, Trump’s forces ignore it and deport the people anyway. The only way to stop it is to physically obstruct the deportations, but who is doing that?
Trump has already started ignoring the courts. The rule of law no longer applies in the USA.
Pretty sure he’s already shipped legal green card holders already. At the very least it just takes a clerical error to label a citizen incorrectly to accomplish the same thing. And that was even in the face of a court order explicitly telling him not to do that. He just ignored it.
You are missing the point that there are no rules or laws anymore. Legally, there is lots he cant do, but he keeps doing them anyway, because in his mind, legal is anything he gets away with. SCOTUS gave him immunity, and he intends to abuse and exploit it as much as he possibly can.
Until a US Citizen gets deported I’ll sit. I’ve been bombarded with people here saying it’s already happened, but no one can provide me with evidence. You’re all just fear mongering and that’s ridiculous. That’s the psychotic BS MAGA and conservatives do. All I’m seeing is leftists here doing the same and it’s pitiful.
Ive heard a lot MAGAs defending themselves against charges of being Nazis by saying that there haven’t been concentration camps and round-ups of citizens, etc.
Do we really have to wait until they are arresting people exercising their free speech and sending them to concentration camps? Do we really have to wait until we see black smoke belching from prison incinerators, and catch the smell of roasting meat?
If we can see that we are already on that path, if those in charge are making all the moves to prepare for those outcomes by building camps (30,000 bed facility in Gitmo) or sending their current scapegoat victims to black sites in fascist countries without due process, or threatening to charge citizens who are exercising their free speech rights with terrorism, or ignoring judicial orders by saying “We dont care what the judges say,” etc., shouldn’t we do EVERYTHING possible to stop it now, BEFORE they ramp up the wholesale killing machines? Do we really have to let them actually murder millions of innocent people before we finally say “Gee, maybe they are Nazis. Why didn’t somebody do something about this a long time ago?”
Hey, I see that you’re mad about the people responding to you, but it’s vital that you understand that the constitution is dead, the republic is over, we have a king now. We’re maybe, generously, months from Congress dissolving itself at Trump’s request. At this point, the Trump administration can and will do whatever they want; when there are no consequences for violating the law, the law does not exist. It’s up to us, the people, to make them second guess and wonder if there will be consequences- in a better scenario, they would know there would be consequences, but I think we’re past that.
All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
What are you doing then, or are you not a good person?
I’m not mad at all honestly, just disappointed. I would expect honesty and truth from this server, but all I get is doomer BS, insults, and false info. If y’all can’t even be honest you’re just another r/politics or r/conservative.
Have fun continuing to lose the country. If y’all can’t tell the truth and then downvote accurate context y’all are just as bad as MAGA. I want no part in either.
I’m organizing with peaceful balkanization efforts. What about you?
Also, this IS the truth. Trump is already doing things that he can’t do, and the courts aren’t doing a great job of stopping him. There are no consequences, just finger wagging. As such, he has no reason whatever to obey or fear the courts. We’ve utterly abandoned holding powerful people accountable, to the detriment of us all.
Rule number one of OpSec is if you’re gonna do something, don’t tell anyone. If they’re planning something that the government can/would consider illegal, saying something online is the stupidest thing you can do. Even if it’s as innocuous as planning to protest.
No you don’t. You need to prove everyone who was sent to a concentration camp received due process, which they absolutely did not receive because we don’t even have a list of everyone abducted and rendered by ICE.
He literally already did. Legal US residents were shipped off to a concentration camp with no trial or due process. This is despite a judge ruling that he “can’t.”
He can. He did. He will again if we let him.
Residents and citizens are not the same though. You cannot deport or exile a US citizen. If that happens there will be anarchy in the streets.
Youre either lying or stupid https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us-citizen-child-recovering-brain-cancer-deported-mexico-undocumented-rcna196049
I kinda want to dare them to deport me, a relatively well off white heterosexual male multi-gen native born US citizen, just so I have the pleasure of suing the ever loving fuck out of the government on as many fronts as are legally feasible. Every single minute infraction committed will be a knock-down, drag-out affair.
E: yeah this is dumb. I’m just frustrated.
I don’t think you fully grasp the situation. You still seem to think that there are consequences for Trump when he breaks the law, and that the legal system in the US is still in-tact enough to grant you not only your freedom, but some compensation for your rights being trampled.
Yes, it is outrageously illegal for him to abduct Americans and send them to a black site on foreign soil with no due process. But he spent his entire last term positioning himself to be able to do and get away with outrageously illegal things this time around. He controls the department of justice and the supreme court. The supreme court has already given him an incredibly wide blanket for presidential immunity.
You might think “well, that’s ok - as soon as the story gets out, people will be rioting in the streets!”, but you have to remember that “independent media” is a thing that doesn’t really exist anymore. All of the major news sources in print and on television are owned by a small handful of billionaires, and he is very good at keeping billionaires on side. Any information that gets out there will be downplayed immediately, and the news will be forgotten in a couple of days to be replaced by the latest shocking celebrity news or the latest atrocity Trump has committed.
You probably would get out eventually (provided you don’t get sick and die or get beat to death by the guards or shanked or something), but you would be far, far worse off for the experience. The dream of vindication you’d get for sticking it to Trump would vanish like mist in the sun and you’d be left with the heart-wrenching reality that the life you had previously known is over, and you are at the mercy of the barbarians now.
I kinda want to dare them to deport me, a relatively well off white heterosexual male multi-gen native born US citizen, just so I have the pleasure of suing the ever loving fuck out of the government on as many fronts as are legally feasible. Every single minute infraction committed will be a knock-down, drag-out affair.
FIrst, the tough guy act impresses nobody. How well do you think you’re going to do as a white boy that doesn’t speak Spanish in a prison cell with 79 Venezuelan and El Salvadoran gang members? You’ll be lucky if you survive the week.
Second, you’ll never have a chance to sue. Trump isn’t giving that option. He is arresting these people and deporting them to El Salvador before he even figures out who the hell they are. We can’t even confirm they are even documenting who is being sent there. They could just be picking random people who look brown enough or who have the “wrong” tattoos, throwing them on a plane, and shipping them off. There’s no court case involved. You’ll be sitting in a cell, in El Salvador, 23.5 hours a day, 7 days a week. Forever. With no access to communication. No access to family visits. No access to a lawyer. How the fuck you gonna sue? You’ll be lucky if you ever even talk to someone who speaks English again.
Maybe your family can sue on your behalf, if they even know where you are or what happened to you. Good luck with that. Maybe, Maybe if you’re lucky, you’ll be the .0000001% of cases the SC actually hears. After years of legal wrangling (where you’ll be sitting in that cell the entire time for), the Supreme Court may very well issue a ruling for Donald Trump to completely ignore.
And the US courts have no jurisdiction over El Salvador’s prisons. A US court demand for the release would just be met with being told to fuck right off.
Dude, these people are being disappeared. That means they’re gone. Good luck ever seeing them again. Even as a white guy, you would suffer untold horrors we can’t comprehend.
Anecdotally, I was a wild youngin decades ago and went to county jail for two weeks. Even jail was horrible, and they treat you like you’re subhuman. It’s freezing all the time, the showers are kept purposely boiling hot, and the food is inedible as it’s pure sugar garbage. The loser guards finally have a leg up on other people and make sure they get their payback for their shitty lives. You poop and pee in public. As a woman, they literally limited the pads you could use, so I just bled through.
Now imagine you remove all those luxuries I just complained about, and you’ve got this type of prison.
Newsflash: He can’t do it. The Supreme Court would have to block it. If he does it to Tesla vandals then he can do it to anyone … including Supreme Court judges. The SC judges are not that stupid … anymore. It seems like one or two of them have spit Trumps balls out of their mouth.
I’m not convinced. Even if they did find against him for something, he’d just defy it. MAGAs are actually looking forward to the point when they get to castrate the Supreme Court by openly ignoring their rulings.
I think the Supreme Court is starting to see what is coming. One of Trumps appointments may have flipped. You will never get Thomas to wake up, he will be praising Trump even when old Claerence is forced to divorce his wife because Trump outlaws interracial marriage (yea, that will be on the horizon)
I’m so glad that genocide joe spent his whole term fighting to make sure this never happens.
jk lol. He just did genocide.
What are you even trying to say? You’re aware Israel already ended the ceasefire right?
President carter just did nothing while those hostages were stuck in iran and Reagan got them out!
Carter negotiated relentlessly for their release, and even attempted an armed rescue mission that failed, but Reagan had counter-negotiated behind his back, and convinced the Iranians to hold on the hostages until after the Inauguration. They were released while Reagan was being sworn in.
That’s called Treason, and Reagan should have gotten the rope for that. Then he sold weapons of mass destruction to Iran to finance his illegal war in Central America, using drug smugglers to smuggle weapons to his CIA mercenaries. Once the weapons were dropped off, the pilots fulled their planes with cocaine and flew it back to America. The enormous number of CIA-protected cocaine flights to America led to the breath-taking crack cocaine epidemic of the 80s/90s. More treason, and he definitely should have gotten the rope for that.
Reagan was one of the most destructive presidents in American history.
I’m glad someone understood what I was getting at lol
Fuck ronald reagan, fuck the entire apparatus that allowed him to get into power, and fuck all the cowards in congress who refused to convict him for deliberately betraying our nation time and time again while in office.
People’s reaction: “This is tyranny!”
The reality: This is delusional.
Trump doesn’t have the power to give that kind of order and any official carrying it out can be convicted and imprisoned under state law that Trump can’t pardon them for. He actually doesn’t understand this despite being president once already because he either always has been retarded*, or got that way due to some sort of dementia.
*I mean that in the medical sense, not as an insult.
I hope you’re right, but they will likely try. And the Rule of law has been eroded more and more. They already openly defied a court order to send Venezuelan people to the El Salvador work camp. They gloated about it, too.
And that was all without due process. Some even had hearings scheduled and still got deported into slavery.
Now that he successfully tested the waters with this, I’m not so sure about trusting the rule of law in the US.
