“Even if this motion is successful, it doesn’t mean that Luigi Mangione walks out of prison,” said Ron Kuby, a criminal defense attorney whose practice focuses on civil rights. “All it means is that the items that were seized from him, or seized that belong to him, can’t be used as evidence against him.”
Kuby thinks that Mangione’s team has made enough claims in their papers to merit a hearing on the issues, in which the police officer involved would have to testify, confirming or denying the facts. “It does appear that they stopped and frisked Mangione without a legal basis to do it. If that’s true, everything that follows from there is likely to be found to be unconstitutional,” he said.
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Guy is going to jail, the grave, or both. Guilty or not the state is not letting a little thing like police evidence tampering or innocence get in the way of him paying for the consequences being brought home to that CEO. Truth was publicly spoken to power, and someone has to pay for that in the states eyes.
Without the obviously planted evidence, all they have is a video that doesn’t show his face. If i was on the jury, that’s enough reasonable doubt for me.
I mean, he’d need a functional alibi. So far, nobody seems to want to explain where he was when Thompson got got.
Not really; without the items that were seized, they don’t really have much of anything that would link him to the location, aside from some bad security camera footage that, IMO, doesn’t really look like him. Insisting that he needs an alibi is reversing the burden of proof; it’s saying that, unless he can prove he was elsewhere, then their claim must be correct. But they have so little without the evidence seized at the arrest that the case would be very thin.
Look, if you asked me where I was when The Asshole Brian Thompson was shot, I’d have no fucking idea unless it was something that was a big enough deal that I noted it in my calendar. I don’t even remember where I was when 11 Sept. happened.
Insisting that he needs an alibi is reversing the burden of proof
We’ll see if a jury agrees. Maybe he gets off OJ style on the back of a corrupt incompetent PD and gloves that don’t fit.
Look, if you asked me where I was when The Asshole Brian Thompson was shot, I’d have no fucking idea
I could tell you I wasn’t in Lower Manhattan easily enough. Especially if I was picked up in a different state.
I’d have more confidence in the “he’s a patsy” attitude if he’d gotten Jack Ruby’d during the perp walk. But even setting aside the fact that they traced a suspect several hundred miles and picked him up on associated charges (the gun and fake IDs), none of his legal team releases are saying “My client was wrongly identified and the killer is still out there”.
Everything is being kept strictly procedural, which is weird if you’ve got a real CEO Killer still on the loose.
What else could they have? They have a video of the crime, and the evidence they claim they found in his backpack when he was arrested, and a couple pieces of evidence they claim they found at the scene that contain his DNA.
Much of the backpack evidence is likely to be thrown out, and the video evidence is highly debateable, and easily refutable. That leaves the DNA items they claim were found at the scene, which could easily have been picked up at his hostel, and planted.
Any other evidence would be far before the crime, or far removed from it, and would be weak at best.
To speculate, they might have additional video evidence linking him to the killing. For example, if they have video of the killer getting on the bus, and Luigi getting off that bus, it’s a pretty small pool of suspects.
Not before they share it with the defense … which is something the prosecution has not fully completed yet.
Even if so, I believe that still doesn’t inherently mean it would be accessible by the public.
Luigi is an innocent patsy. The cops planted the evidence on the first convenient person they found.
That’s kind of how locating a suspect works… How else do you locate someone from a description when they have fled and are hiding in the general population?
The cops planted the evidence on the first convenient person they found.
Hardly call his arrest a convenience. They had to chase him halfway across Pennsylvania.
I’m open to the possibility he was set up. But only in the Lee Harvey Oswald sense (someone mired in radicalism who was tangentially involved). You’re going to have to produce a “second gunman” before I toss the abundance of evidence against him as a fabrication.
I’m not particularly remarkable in my looks, and I have so many doppelgangers that people are CONSTANTLY walking up to me claiming that my name is literally anything other than what my name is. I don’t believe this is at all a unique feature of my particular genetics, I just happen to have a face that is known as a “familiar face,” within both the art and acting sphere, as well as the psychological and sociological spheres of influence.
I’m saying that this concept absolutely applies to Luigi Mangione. He just looks too distinct, and quite frankly too chiseled to match the fuzzy photos of the actual killer. This being an extremely high profile case, in which the investigators involved felt pressure to wrap the case up as quickly as possible most likely led to them grabbing the wrong person, and planting evidence that the real killer abandoned on Luigi.
Pennsylvania isn’t particularly big, and it’s literally next door to NYC. You can either go directly from PA to NY and drive into the city from the north, or go through New Jersey. It takes longer to go north, but I think it is a better drive, TBH.
He just looks too distinct, and quite frankly too chiseled to match the fuzzy photos of the actual killer.
Sure, because his mug shot isn’t a fuzzy pixelated photo.
the investigators involved felt pressure to wrap the case up as quickly as possible most likely led to them grabbing the wrong person
If they have the wrong person, it should be fairly simple for Luigi to produce an alibi to explain that he wasn’t in Lower Manhattan at the time of the murder.
Pennsylvania isn’t particularly big, and it’s literally next door to NYC.
It’s enormous. 44k mi^2. And he was halfway across it when he was arrested. Again, if he’s innocent, and they just grabbed a random guy out of a random diner in flyover territory, and the guy has a long, established online presence and a penchant for selfies, it shouldn’t be hard at all to say “My cell phone tracking data proves I wasn’t anywhere near Brian Thompson at the time of his death.”
America needs more Luigis.
Definitely more symbols like him. If he’s found innocent, then we must ask if Luigi’s identity and movement extend to the true killer. If he’s found guilty, then we have a more complex conversation.
Either way, we need more.
I’m still convinced this poor kid is a patsy because NYPD was facing down a riot, or worse (for them), for the blatant classism in their investigation efforts.
Unfortunately much of the public has given Luigi credit/deemed him “guilty” out of a need for ideological symbolism and an outlet to express frustration.
I’m also of the opinion that the real killer might have very well gotten away and I seriously would not put it past the dirty cops to have a close lookalike take a fall and plant evidence on him.
Regardless, what the court of public opinion thinks of the guy who got arrested for the crime in question is, thankfully, still irrelevant in court proceedings. The prosecution still has to prove that it was him, and if they improperly collected the evidence they plan to use against him, it’s going to be an uphill battle.
