Glad I could help.
A lot of things are easier to do even for experts with gui, as you might need to type 30 lines for what you could do in 1-2 clicks
In the 15 years of me using Linux as my main system both for work and for fun, I have never experienced this situation. Never. I seriously don’t know what you guys doing that not only requires you to type 30 lines of commands - insane amount of commands, you can setup a complicated server from scratch with this amount if commands - that can also be accomplished with two clicks.
Give me at least couple of examples, I’m very curious
I don’t know if this applies but I did the switch to Linux a coupls weeks ago (To Linux Mint, because beginner friendly).
I’m curious with tech stuff but I’m not tech savvy in any way shape or form.
Thing is, the in way to connect to my Google drive sucked hard. On windows I would install the program and be able to access it like any drive. On Mint there is a GUI way to connect to your Google account, but it is so slow that it took a PDF solid 2 minutes to load each page. So no way to work with that.
So I needed a solution, which I found by installing rclone and setting it up.
That was a stupid amount of work and command lines I realy did not understand at all (this was my time using the console).
Yeah, the way Google doesn’t make a Linux version of their product is indeed bad. They say it’s because they want us all using their web version, and it would be probably even a valid excuse, but they make their soft for Windows, but not for Linux for some reason.
Thankfully they are in minority, and you can just ditch them and use different, more user-friendly clouds. Or, as you mentioned, cool working tools that community made for free, since Google is apparently incapable.
Edit: back to the previous point, you managed to do it first time without help, which kind of confirms my point. There is a Russian proverb “while the eyes are afraid, the hands are already at work”, which is very apt here.
I don’t understand this post. OP mad the free support not up to their standards?
“easier solutions”
No: pet solutions. Don’t let false consensus dictate the wrong labels.
pet solutions
I’ve never heard this term before. My searches online aren’t bringing up anything useful, it’s all stuff about literal pets. I can’t seem to wrap my mind around what it could mean or the right thing to search to find the answer. Could someone explain please?
It’s an expression coined by Corsican Guppy in the mid 2020s, referring to a solution to a Linux/Unix problem that uses a Graphic User Interface, as opposed to one using the command line.
You don’t need too much GUI, it’s usually just bloat. A lot of race cars have their interior ripped out for less weight, I consider using the terminal as much as possible the same vein. The terminal also acts as a gatekeeping mechanism in Linux, I don’t want normies ruining the Linux ecosystem, all the problems of tech blamed on unmanaged capitalism by Ed Zitron and Cory Doctorow are actually all the result of woke DEI Code of Conducts, go watch Brian Lunduke to learn more.
Yes, it’s going to be uncomfortable for a few months, maybe even a few years. You might get called a lot of bad words along the way, maybe even get doxxed and harassed IRL, but it’s just normal human behavior. Nowadays I’m writing my Python and Javascript code on Arch Linux using neovim, on a 65% artisan mechanical keyboard, and I’ve set my own custom shortcuts for everything. In my free time, I harass Rust, Swift, Go, D, etc. developers, and call them weak and pathetic for wanting to do system development using a language with both memory safety and without janky design that made sense on an old mainframe with limited memory. You either use C/C++, maybe assembly, for system development, or a bloated scripting language for memory safety on top of a C/C++ system!
Copypasting a term command vs. 20 pages of “click here, now click there”. Which is more efficient?
The one enabling people to understand and use their devices on their own. Once you can use a mouse or touchpad, you can navigate the UI. Good UI/UX conveys function. Checkboxes insert the correct configuration in the background without possibly hazardous typos.
The CLI does nothing of this for the user, to understand it users have to invest tens, if not hundreds of hours before they get a hang of all essential commands, paradigms and tools to help themselves. They have to become IT intermediates just to use their computers.
By providing a single CLI command (which, in the worst case, gets copied by a third user on an incompatible system configuration breaking everything) instead of pointing at the GUI tools most user-friendly distros already provide you do, in many cases, a disservice to the average user who just wants their problem to be fixed. They will not be able to help themselves next time for a similar issue.
Back in the day, I learned how to network winxp machines together, without a router, and without being able access the internet to find instructions, all because everything I needed to know about any given setting was in the gui where I could manipulate that setting. I had lan parties featuring dozens of pcs, all manually configured. Was this the correct way to do things? Fuck no, but it worked. I was able to make it work because I could see everything I needed to as I was doing it.
None of the above would have been possible if CLI was the only option.
I find it absolutely baffling how an equal amount of people voting on this comment seem to honestly believe that it would’ve been a realistic option for the majority of people (or even everyone) to get one of those Linux books and read hundreds of sites to fully understand everything necessary to manually setup a LAN party in a reasonable time. On 4 to 16 computers. Are all gamers expected to also be interested in IT enough to read such books? Are they supposed to magically know the existence of manpages? Of course not, 90% of private LANs in the early 2000’s would’ve simply not happened without easily navigable GUIs. At least not with computers.
The ignorance by so many in the Linux community regarding GUI is both baffling and infuriating.
The one enabling people to understand and use their devices on their own.
If you’re using a UI, and you have a question about something or don’t understand what you’re doing, isn’t that a sign that either the UI you’re using is insufficient, or your own knowledge is lacking?
Good UI/UX conveys function.
Exactly. By itself, a good UI should “enable people to understand and use their device on their own”. If you’re a UI user and you can’t figure something out on your own, maybe you need to use the terminal to accomplish whatever you’re trying to do.
I also think navigating is easy, doesn’t mean anyone asking for initial help using a GPS app to get on track should from now on use a book with relative directions explained in text.
Why does it have to be one or the other?
I, as someone who spends so much time in the terminal that I literally have a dedicated key to open it, would prefer a single CLI command. My grandma, who thinks the monitor is the entire computer, would do better with the “inefficient” GUI option
There can be more than one correct way to do something
