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Less of a housing issue, more of a cost of living issue.

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Housing is the single largest cost of living that most people ever face, so yes, it is a housing issue.

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It’s a both issue, not one or the other. But of the two, housing is a bigger issue.

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We’ve had a housing issue in the UK since long before the ‘cost of living’ crisis started to affect the middle-classes.

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Something tells me the English people who said that haven’t been to Canada.

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Canada was included in the report. The article seems to be focussing on the amount of vacant properties, which is 8.2% for Canada and 2.7% for UK

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Yeah, I figure Canada probably has more houses (more space) but the prices to buy or let are much worse over there. We’re not far behind, though.

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But renters on Wednesday night issued their own warning that “lots of expensive market-rate housing won’t bring housing costs down to affordable levels for the millions of people trapped in poverty by sky-high rents”.

Sure it will. Housing price is a function of supply and demand, like everything else. If you don’t have enough supply of housing in London for people who want to live in London, then what happens is that housing prices rise until sufficient people are priced out.

If a developer builds new housing, then someone is going to live in it. If that person is living in that housing, then they aren’t living in some other housing in London, which will make that housing more-affordable.

But what if a developer only builds luxury housing and nobody wants to live in it?

A developer has a pretty strong incentive not to build something that nobody actually wants, so that’s unlikely to be a serious problem – their incentive is not to do this. But, sure, assume that happens. Then that developer is going to need to recoup what they can by selling the development for what they can, even at a loss. The parties who invested in that development will wind up covering some of the cost of buying housing for people in London.

What’s at issue isn’t “fancy housing” or “not-fancy housing”. It’s the quantity of housing. Build more of whatever type of housing, and the price of housing will drop.

As long as one can profitably build housing – the price of land and the price of construction and a reasonable return is lower than the price of housing – developers have every incentive to build. They only won’t build if they aren’t allowed to do so.

Removing or relaxing London’s height restrictions might be a good place to start.

https://archive.ph/jRQIm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YIMBY_movement

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While the free market should be able to correct the problem, it can’t.

I can’t talk specifically about the uk, but in the US many locales have strict zoning regualtions that hamper building medium density cheap housing, perfect for all these people that can’t afford to live where there’s work.

Examples are things like minimum parking requiements, driveway setbacks, and limitations on multifamily homes.

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You’re contradicting yourself. There’s no free market when you have zoning regulations. That’s the issue in Britain as well - too much red tape everywhere and too many fees to get any permissions. Builders are not allowed to build as much as they want or as much as people need. The housing crisis is created artificially by the government.

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Yes prices go up and people get priced out that is the bloody problem!

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Canada?

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This is the best summary I could come up with:


About a quarter of private renters in the UK are also “overburdened” by housing costs – spending more than 40% of income, compared with just 9% in France and 5% in Germany, according to OECD data.

Labour has said it might release greenbelt for building when it is “dilapidated, neglected scrubland” and will “put social and genuinely affordable housing at the very heart of our plans to jump-start the housebuilding industry”.

Stewart Baseley, the executive chair of the HBF said the figures are “a wake-up call, demonstrating the urgent need to act now to prevent us falling even further behind”.

The study found the UK has the lowest number of homes built since 1980 of any of Spain, France, Portugal, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary.

The construction industry has been frustrated by the government’s stop-start approach to planning reforms, as it has weighed the need for more building against opposition from voters in Tory constituencies concerned about over-development.

By contrast the share of the population living with leaking roofs, damp or rot in Poland was 6% and 12% in Germany, figures from Eurostat show.


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Nobody should be talking about building on the greenbelt, that’s the point of the greenbelt. Where I used to live in London the council was constantly trying to get permission to build on the greenbelt when 500m away there was a huge plot of dilapidated concrete, I guess where there used to be a factory or something. But they were constantly talking about the greenbelt.

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Housing developers love greenbelt because they don’t have to pay for the rubble and land clearing of brown belt land.

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10% of Tory donations come from housebuilders. They are probably happy keeping demand artificially high and are paying to keep it that way.

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