Tesla cut the price of some Model 3 and Model Y versions in the U.S. after the company reported third-quarter deliveries that missed market expectations.
The starting price for the Model 3 is listed at $38,990 on Tesla’s website, down from $40,240 previously. The long range Model 3 fell from $47,240 to $45,990. And the Model 3 Performance fell to $50,990 from $53,240.
Tesla’s Model Y Performance sports utility vehicle now starts at $52,490, down from a previous price of $54,490.
Beginning at the end of last year, Tesla began cutting the prices of its cars across the world in a bid to stoke demand amid concerns over slowing consumer spending in markets like the U.S. and China and as competition in the electric vehicle space ramped up.
Honestly I think I’m more dissuaded because of who Elon has become.
Knowing he can swoop into Tesla and start making decisions that over rule the experts that work there like he did at twitter should scare people who can’t afford to just buy another EV if it happens to Tesla.
“If” it happens to Tesla? Pretty sure the over promising if FSD and the poor build quality have always been Tesla things driven by Musk. Once competition gears up I really hope Tesla improves. It’s actually a fun car to drive just make sure you get one that was built properly and don’t bother with FSD.
Look at twitter though, I’m not convinced Tesla cant get much much worse and I think its directly related to how much time Musk spends doing his job there.
There are quality issues but the success of Tesla was mostly due to the hype created by Elon, now that most of the people that care the most about the environment dislike Elon of course their sales drop
The people that care the most about the environment aren’t buying electric cars at all. That’s not the solution.
For most of us that’s the best solution we can do. I’ve already cut out all the waste I can, I grow my own vegetables, I’m getting rain barrels and compost for my garden, I tried to get solar but the cost was too prohibitive here, I have shopped non-plastic alternatives everywhere i can, I limit travel as much as I’m allowed, but I need to drive to work like most Americans. My government will not be expanding public transit, there’s no interest at the federal or state levels and my local level just throws up racist dogwhistles about crime spreading if they add trains or buses every time the public petitions for it.
An electric car is the best I can do, I won’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
In the US we live where options other than cars simply aren’t subsidized or funded meaningfully for transit. This means yeah people who have to survive are going to be buying cars if they need them.
I was drawn to them when they were new and different and it seemed like some of the problems were just growing pains. Now it seems like Tesla started as a great idea and quickly got steamrolled into a clown show like everything else Elon touches. At one point I wanted a model 3 but now I’d rather have a gas electric hybrid like a Prius or something and an ebike or scooter.
You mean added ad content that’s not removable or blockable, charging a subscription for no new features, and blocking users he doesn’t like.
Yeah I’m not buying a car from a megalomaniac that might flip the switch for Tesla over 6 months to become his new biggest ad/subscription machine.
People here act like he murdered babies and reimplemented slavery. dude just says some stupid shit on twitter, a platform he overpaid for. y’all should be happy he’s pushing people to alternative social media platforms.
I think you’re minimizing the damage he is causing with his platform. He is saying and, allowing to be said, the quiet parts out loud representing the worst parts of humanity and, because it’s his platform literally, no one can stop him.
Can you point to some of the things he said that are particular egregious? And please don’t deflect onto another topic if possible
It’s falling because the cars are garbage. Slightly cutting the prices doesn’t make them any less garbage. You could get an EV from a reputable brand for much less.
Tesla isn’t the cheapest but “much less” is inaccurate, especially once the tax credit (at least in the US) comes into play and as you try to find like-for-like range and features.
The bolt ev/euv is cheaper and has all the features except an “autopilot”, which is a plus that your car won’t kill you
The EUV doesn’t really compare.
Currently no access to the Supercharger network, a much slower fast-charging curve, the ADAS features lag Autopilot, the center console is laggy, and for the nerds who care, Tesla’s API isn’t closed down like OnStar. It’s rear cargo ties and Carplay support are the only bonuses. The Bolt EUV is even losing features – this year’s model removed heated seats, putting further reliance on running a heater, which is a bad thing for range.
your car won’t kill you
The car doesn’t kill you, people not paying attention while driving kills. NHTSA’s primary investigation is basically about drivers of Tesla vehicles not paying attention and determining if Tesla is being aggressive enough about focus detection.
NHTSA is reviewing whether Tesla vehicles adequately ensure drivers are paying attention. Previously, the agency said evidence suggested drivers in most crashes under review had complied with Tesla’s alert strategy that seeks to compel driver attention, raising questions about its effectiveness.
And yes, I considered purchasing one or going to the Mustang Mach-E. The Mach-E is a much more viable contender. The Bolt EUV was very unimpressive and not really comparable.
Unfortunately they are being discontinued and the leftover inventory is hard to find in my experience.
I don’t know why Lemmy hates Tesla so much. Hate Elon, sure, he’s probably behind the crazy quotas leading to poor build quality and definitely behind overselling FSD, but if it wasn’t for Tesla we would still have no viable EVs. I hope competition makes a good one soon but right now Tesla is the best EV with the best charging network. Lots of people are driving them now.
They’re hellishly expensive cars. They harvest data, and if you opt out your car may become useless. They exaggerate the car statistics, like driving range. The build quality is frequently poor, with visible panel gaps (that cheap-arse Dacias don’t even have), rear bumpers that fall off due to rainfall, they are prone to rust, and the FSD despite clearly not being “fully self driving” or even road safe is available as an extra subscription, that people actively pay for and make use of making the roads less safe.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg as well. Like how replacing the battery costs as much as buying a new car. Or the fact that the already shitty battery life gets even worse when it gets cold, leading to people getting stuck on the motorway in the winter, forcing them to get a taxi and abandon their car.
Perhaps Tesla started off well back in the late 00s, but Musk’s been doing nothing but bullshit since the moment he got his grubby little hands on the thing. There are awful stories coming from the factories involving racism, frequent injuries (the factory in Germany is laughable, and it’s shocking it hasn’t been shut down), and really worrying things have been said even about the software its running on.
Then there’s all the weird-ass design decisions, like replacing the steering wheel with a yoke, without adding servo steering meaning it’s just a malshaped steering wheel. They’ve also paved the way for bullshit capacitive touch areas rather than buttons, and tacked actual important functions like turn signals on them.
If you accidentally caress the fart button and make the bloody thing do lmao memez hilariouz farting, no one gets injured. Miscommunicating your intention in traffic could lead to deaths.
It’s a bad company, and they’re bad cars.
This rant is unproductive, incorrect, and wildly exaggerated.
They’re hellishly expensive cars.
No. Welcome to the new price of cars.
They harvest data, and if you opt out your car may become useless.
Opted out. Car still usable.
They exaggerate the car statistics, like driving range.
Edmunds found they aren’t that far off, especially seeing that the range estimates are all over the place.
The build quality is frequently poor, with visible panel gaps (that cheap-arse Dacias don’t even have)
Sure, I’ll give this one to you. While it’s a no-fuss operation to get them to fix it, it shouldn’t come out the factory.
rear bumpers that fall off due to rainfall,
Isolated.
they are prone to rust,
When?
and the FSD despite clearly not being “fully self driving” or even road safe is available as an extra subscription,
What other ADAS software have you used?
that people actively pay for and make use of making the roads less safe.
If the vehicle gives 2-3 warning messages before engaging it and consistently reminds the driver to pay attention, there’s not much more the car can do here if a driver wants to screw off.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg as well. Like how replacing the battery costs as much as buying a new car.
Which EV has a cheap battery replacement? Teslas are down to about $12-15k, which in 2023, is cheaper than a new car.
Or the fact that the already shitty battery life gets even worse when it gets cold, leading to people getting stuck on the motorway in the winter, forcing them to get a taxi and abandon their car.
All EV batteries lose range in the winter. Most manufacturers have a feature to pre-warm the battery to reduce the effects of this. Nobody’s leaving their cars on the motorway either.
Perhaps Tesla started off well back in the late 00s, but Musk’s been doing nothing but bullshit since the moment he got his grubby little hands on the thing.
Tesla wasn’t shipping a car until his money became involved.
There are awful stories coming from the factories involving racism, frequent injuries (the factory in Germany is laughable, and it’s shocking it hasn’t been shut down),
I don’t know enough about German manufacturing to comment, but I’d be interested in learning more about factory accident rates of Tesla vs. other carmakers.
and really worrying things have been said even about the software its running on.
Like what?
Then there’s all the weird-ass design decisions,
So personal preferences.
like replacing the steering wheel with a yoke, without adding servo steering meaning it’s just a malshaped steering wheel.
And this was reverted to a wheel by default now on the S/X, which were the only two vehicles having this as an option.
They’ve also paved the way for bullshit capacitive touch areas rather than buttons,
… have you seen other vehicles? Mercedes and Volkswagen (though, now backing off) is going down this route
and tacked actual important functions like turn signals on them.
Personal preference.
If you accidentally caress the fart button and make the bloody thing do lmao memez hilariouz farting, no one gets injured. Miscommunicating your intention in traffic could lead to deaths.
Can you show where this dedicated fart button is?
Please list the cars available “for much less” with equivalent range. We’ll wait.
That is an odd flex considering Tesla is currently being sued for lying about that very thing.
Who in their right mind, after seeing Elon Musk destroy Twitter at the behest of the Saudis, all while supporting antidemocratic Fascists from every corner of the globe, buy one of his Fascistmobiles and fly his Fascist flag?
Or work at any of his companies. Would like to hear from lemmy users working for him.
A lot of folks work in those factories that have no idea about Elon, other than that he’s rich. So many folks don’t bother to stay informed.
I really doubt this for factories in the US. Whether you follow celebrity news or not, Musk’s name is all over the place for one reason or another. US workers absolutely know what’s going on.
More thinking all those vps, managers, hr, engineers, customer service, sales, marketing etc. they obviously are well informed and choose to stay.
teslas are pretty cool cars. lots of fun features that make them really feel unique.
Like a giant fucking iPad for a dashboard.
That’s not at all distracting.
I’m in the market for a new car. Probably an electric. Sometime in the next 3-5 years. I’ll be fucked if I even consider one of this douchecunt’s cars.
Wrong. Plugin hybrids are the worst of both worlds. You have extra complexity and maintenance requirements on top of reduced efficiency. EVs are the future and the charging infrastructure is only getting better. Reselling any ICE car within the next few years is going to be a losing proposition.
Seems like anything you buy is somewhat of a gamble. Internal combustion engines/gasoline could be gone or (more likely) far less desirable in 10 years. As manufacturers begin switching to primarily electric cars, finding parts/labor for these vehicles may become challenging. With a hybrid, I wonder if you carry all the same risks (as far as the long term value of the vehicle) as a normal gasoline-powered car.
But maybe the timeline for this is more like 20 years.
In 2021, I almost bought a Tesla, but needed a car quickly and they had a long wait. I’d still consider it but it has now become clear that Elon Musk sucks, so I’ll never buy one.
My next car will be an EV from literally any other company.
I’d avoid VW too, honestly. They were had to build out Electrify America because they cheated with emissions. They clearly do not give a shit about it and their charging stations are continually rated the worst.
You can’t really get away from Tesla chargers though if you need to do a road trip. Happily, many other brands are adopting the standard so I think soon anyone can use them.
