78 points

While Trump pretends he can’t ask for anyone he’s sent to come back. They’re disappearing people into a black site.

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eventually they’ll runeout of ability to cram people into these concentration camps and they’ll have to figure out how to make room. they’ll give it some seemingly innocuous phrase, like “the alien question” as they seek some sort of solution. a final one.

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4 points

Party time! It’ll be a gas!

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He can ask for them back, but El Salvador doesn’t have to listen. It’s like when you sell a car, once the title is signed over and you get the money the deal is done. You can always say “that was a mistake, can I have the car back” but the other party can just ignore you.

And yes, it sickens me to be writing about humans like property you can just “transfer the title” for. But it must not have the same effect on Trump, Musk, or Rubio.

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He made the deal with Bukele, if he can’t get them back that’s because it’s how he wanted it.

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The idea that Art of the Deal can’t get this guy back is absurd, they have the power and ability to do so. They refuse to.

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All the headlines, saying “can’t get them back” are misrepresenting the situation. Trump isn’t saying that he can’t get them back, he’s saying the judges can’t make him get them back.

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It’s like when you sell a car, once the title is signed over and you get the money the deal is done.

No, if you want a car to be your analogy, it’s more like a rental. The US is actively paying El Salvador to detain them. They can end that deal whenever they want.

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He can ask for them back, but El Salvador doesn’t have to listen.

They do if they know what’s good for them.

But more to the point, alli the headlines, saying “can’t get them back” are misrepresenting the situation. Trump isn’t saying that he can’t get them back, he’s saying the judges can’t make him get them back.

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You are right, but in this case the car they just received comes with upkeep costs and no particular benefits. If the US does the effort for getting them back, El Salvador has no real reason to keep them.

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“Not interested in dealing with trump’s fuckery” as well as “they handed us the political prisoners who fled our country” and possibly not wanting the political fallout from making deals with a fascist country.

That said it would be amazing if El Salvador took the opportunity to show the world by treating these prisoners better than the US did

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Except there are actually laws in place that let you do exactly that for a car purchase (in non-shithole places)

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For cause, maybe. Just because you changed your mind? Absolutely not.

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68 points

Pretty interesting to see live how quickly a democracy can turn into an autocracy

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All it took was willingly electing an obvious autocratic wannabe dictator, who would have known?

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33 points

Eh, it also took 3 other branches being complicit and not doing their job.

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10 points

This is the important part. Trump 1.0 didn’t have carte blanche to get away with everything, the SCOTUS and a more compliant Congress have given 2.0 that authority.

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7 points

Interesting is not the word I would go for.

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It’d be nice if there would be a simple book being written on the things that happen in the years before a democracy flips. Might be helpful as a warning.

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You know it will be used as a guide instead, right?

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Maybe, yes. But now it feels like the bad guys are better equipped than the good guys and i dont like that.

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There are countless.

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Complex books for policy makers maybe, but I mean simple (and interesting) enough every average joe knows the content

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Maybe the judge can’t stop Trump, but they can arrest every person on those flights. People will stop lining up when it means their freedom.

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Well, the judge can order the arrest of those people. We shall soon find out whether law enforcement will actual follow those orders…

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IIRC the judge can order the arrests and also deputize people to carry them out.

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21 points

Hopefully the judge does order their arrests. Aren’t those people technically following illegal orders anyway?

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Which isn’t defensible, so go after them. It worked in Nuremberg. The big thing is the charges need to come at a state level so they can’t be pardoned. Although, it’s still an inconvenience to make them get pardoned every time, so if the charges have to be federal, so be it.

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And arrest every person above them letting this happen. All the way up through all levels of supervisors, managers, etc. They have control over their employees. Hell, even arrest the ATCs giving them flight access and the customs agents letting the crew back in. Everyone that is remotely tangential deserves to be tried and arrested.

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The Nazi regime chose to build most of their concentration camps in nearby compliant/dominated countries as well.

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and each new camp they set up was more brutal and inhumane than any they’d built before. always built away from major population centers, but always close enough to an active front to quickly ship people to them

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These judges can arrest everyone else, if they don’t then they are feckless and complicit in democracy dieing

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