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65 points

Straight lies. How can you tell someone that unions cannot guarantee anything?

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6 points

It’s the company who has to sign off on the CBA, too.

A union can ASK for things, but it’s always the company guaranteeing it.

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29 points

Sure a union technically can not guarantee anything. But I’ll guarantee you’ll be in a million times stronger position with a union.

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They’re also spreading this nonsense at my hospital where we’re actively organizing right now. It preys on people’s ignorance of how legal contracts work.

Your lease doesn’t guarantee that your landlord won’t violate its terms either. But it does give you the ammunition to take them to court and win compensation, if they do.

The same applies to a union contact. It’s legally binding in the same way. Sure the company technically can violate the terms of that agreement. But the union is going to escalate the issue to the NLRB and/or sue them in court, if they do. And you will win, if you provide the evidence that they violated the legally binding contract.

This is what disingenuous corporations call “not guaranteed”

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I think what they’re trying to say is that being in a union, by itself doesn’t guarantee higher wages or better benefits. Which is true, but incredibly misleading since you sure as hell aren’t getting those wage/benefit increases without union membership.

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8 points

“You can’t guarantee that your new collective bargaining agreement will be honored by us.”

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6 points

Unions literally cannot guarantee you money, dude. Other than what’s in their coffers, and what is “drawn up” in advance, collected for, and spelled out in a written agreement.

Especially fragile new unions, they don’t have jack shit going for them. The company isn’t going to help it form, and they might choose to fire dissenters attempting to unionize. During a strike or demonstrations, even with a formed union, the company isn’t going to pay the workers for not working. In this way, the company is correct in saying “there are no guarantees of pay”. Hell if they don’t like you there’s no guarantee of a job at all, if there’s no established union.

It’s all talk, speculation until a formed union draws up a legal, enforceable contract that both company & union agree to. CBA, as it’s called (Collective Bargaining Agreement).

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260 points

These posters make me want to organize.

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89 points

It tells me that they think paying for graphics, ads etc are just a fraction of what I can gain.

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3 points

I suspect that’s why it’s hanging right above the fingerprint/face scanner punchcard kiosk.

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90 points

“Oh no, I’ll have to go through someone who actually has my interests at heart and not my shitty manager! Damn unions!”

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29 points

And no, you don’t have to go through the union instead of your supervisor/manager. In my union job, they’d send a witness/advocate along with someone if they had an issue where a manager was involved.

The union was corrupt, but despite that it was still the best factory job I’ve worked in (ok another one was also not bad but that was mostly because no one really gave a fuck about the stupid shit there and everyone just did their jobs without fucking with each other). The pay was high enough that when I was looking for something better, I realized a certification I had started wasn’t going to mean more money, just different work for similar money.

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20 points

Yea. I had a shop steward sit in on all my meetings with management. They represent the union, it’s influence, and it’s contract. They make sure everyone is playing by the rules and management doesn’t take advantage of an employee that doesn’t know labor laws, policies and procedures, their work contract, or the union contract.

It wasn’t a requirement for meeting with management, but it was something a manager could not refuse if requested by the employee. Any meeting with management would be delayed until a shop steward was available.

I was a strong advocate for every employee to have one with all meetings with management.

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11 points

Yeah, Amazon is trying to present it as extra red tape everyone will have to deal with, but it’s really the union will help you get through the company’s red tape. The union’s red tape is more about its own power structure, which will have the usual problems that go along with any kind of power, but the union still serves to balance the employer’s power.

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19 points

It’s not a guarantee they have your interests and heart, but your odds are a lot better than your supervisor having your interests and heart.

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19 points

Your supervisor has a duty to put the good of the company ahead of the good of the employee or they’re risking their own jobs.

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1 point

Why don’t people understand this simple fact ?

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3 points

It’s not a guarantee they have your interests and heart

No, but it’s at least in their job description to act accordingly.

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16 points

interests and heart

Yeah, I hate it when my supervisor steals my vital organs.

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6 points

That’s why I advise anyone who has anything important happening to them to first seek advise from an organization that deals with worker rights, a union or a lawyer, as HR are there to protect the company, not to help you.

If they help you, it’s only because that’s what’s beneficial to the company and their personal allegiances in the company.

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225 points

Never forget: If a company doesn’t want you to have it, it’s probably a good for you.

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10 points

It really is that simple.

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3 points

Most companies don’t want you to drink cyanide, but it isn’t good for you. Most companies don’t want you getting hurt on the job. Most companies don’t want you drinking or doing drugs while using heavy equipment. All these things arent good for you.

I’m not saying to unionize or not, but the logic is fallacious.

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16 points

Bet hanging and handing out union material on company premises is an instant termination.

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18 points

No, it’s instant investigation into your performance

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